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A sickening experience

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    Posted: 01 Mar 2012 at 9:38pm
I have a friend who is kinda watching for a B, C, or a CA with a belly mower and I heard about one about an hours drive from me, and as it was 76 degrees here today, I decided to go look at a C a fellow told me about.
Made the drive, found the young fella's house and he brought his "little jewell" out for me to look at.
What he had was probably the most wore out wide-front C that I have ever seen, and I DO mean wore-out !!.. It did have a new battery, new plugs and wires, and it did start, but everything went down-hill from there. No brakes, almost a full round of play in the steering, the front end was probably never greased in it's life and both front tires and wheels were mismatched and were off some kind of old pick-up. The rear tires were two different sizes and wore out.
The bearings in the mower-deck were all bad and screeching, but it did have a new belt on the mower.
 
The young fella only wanted $3500.00 for his little "cream-puff" !!!
 
 
 
 
Now the sickening part.....his wife told me that he had given his father, somewhere in Kansas, $3925.00 for this pile of junk, and that is exactly what she called it !!!
(I forgot to take my camera)
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yikes
 
maby it had sentimental value...... to the son?  not the wife lol
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I went to a auction about a year ago and it was the same story with a WD45. I called before we went to make sure it was not a piece of junk. The man said it was a straight looking tractor but needed a rear rim and had been sitting in the barn for a wile and did not run. We got there and dad went to get a bid number and I went over to look at the tractor. It was the most wore out WD45 I have seen yet, the wide front end was falling off, hand clutch would move side to side about 6 inches, draw bar snapped in  half, and I don't think the tractor had ever seen a grease gun sense new. The motor oil even had water in it, I looked it over for about 5 minutes and headed for home. 

Edited by R.W - 02 Mar 2012 at 7:53am
In Search Of: 1958 Allis Chalmers D17 Diesel serial #9643D
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I once went to look at a Case VA for sale that was supposedly in good shape but hadn't been used in a year and wouldn't start. When I looked at the tractor, which had been used to bush hog a small farm under dusty conditions, the hose between the carb and the air cleaner was missing. The bottom of the air cleaner was rusted through. I just walked away. The engine would have needed a complete tear down and rebuild.
 
I was looking for a small tractor to plow a garden. I ended up with a 1944 B with the optional hydraulics and couldn't be happier.
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It seems sometimes that we forget how old these tractors are and we forget that some of these were the only tractor on the farm at the time of purchase. I speak for myself here to, sometimes hoping for something that is not going to be the case. I think of my Grandfather who bought his first tractor a brand spanking new 1940 model B Allis, my Dad has told me all about this, he said that they ran the tractor 24 hrs a day farming two farms, three boys in the family taking turns 8 hr shifts. First year with lights and starter so the opportunities were endless. At harvest time the next year Grandpa bought a new model 40 AC combine and dad said that after chores at night the local farmers would come over and just beg my Grandpa to harvest their oats etc. My Dad said it didn't take that long maybe two or three years to wear it out to the point of needing a major overhaul. He said the front end was so wore out that when they went to change the bushings in the front spindles they were almost clear through the bushings. We had a Fordson major diesel on the farm when I was in high school that we bought with the farm from the old fellow that was the previous owner and it had been majored at least two times because he also would go out and do work off the farm with it. I know not all did this but there was alot of work going on with these tractors back then. I know my Grand father greased everything really well, mayb some didn't.
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I think what's more sad is why would a father take advantage of his son that way?
 
Knowing my dad would give the shirt off his back, when he asked me about taking his old JD riding mower, I say no.  I waited until he put it in the paper with a price and then I said I'll take it for the advertised price.  He still wanted me to just take it but I stuck to my guns and paid him.  Still got that mower.
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SHAME on you Stan.  A Father's love is worth more than that.  It's those things that we have that we WANT to pass down to son's and daughter's.  We are just keeping it for you until you can appreciate it and love it as much as we do.  In one way though, you will take better care of it having paid for it.  Different way to look at it...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Stan IL&TN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Mar 2012 at 3:08pm
So Ted then you agree that the father making his son pay $3925 for a pile of junk is just fine in your eyes?
Now if his father was in a financial bind then that would be the only way I could see doing it to help his dad out.
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Just maybe the father was telling the son not to buy in a quite way. You just never know.
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I agree with Rich. Unrestored tractors, of that kind of age, in "good" shape are a rare find.  I see lots of people who think their C's or B's are worth $2K plus. To someone who doesn't collect that might be a good price (if its in decent mechanical condition). If you're just looking for something to run a belly mower, think of how much more you're getting compared to what kind  of riding mower you would buy at Home Depot or Sears for the same money.  
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I'm afraid I have to agree with Stan, this was how I felt from the time the girl told me about it, but I wanted to see how you fellas felt.
My son died in Jan 2007, and I could NEVER have done him this way even tho I did on several ocasions deny him money when he wanted to borrow for something frivolus.
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I agree with Boog. My Father wants me to pay  "market" value for anything he has for sale. He offered me a truck for sale a couple of years ago for $5000 firm, he sold it to his grand daughters boy friend for $3500. When he had his farm auction after a big "family" scrap 15 years ago, he said "you can bid too". I didnt go to his sale. I dont have anything from my father, except some hard earned "lessons". I'm a unexpected father later in life, my boy is 8, I'm 45. If that boy needed a kidney, an eye, or a heart from me, I'd cut it out myself if I had to. The young man with the tractor in question is going to have to sell it for 2 or 3 hundred dollars, or keep it for good, thats really too bad, TREV.
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