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427435
Orange Level Joined: 18 Nov 2010 Location: SE Minnesota Points: 18637 |
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While reduced lead would likely reduce the loading of the FWA components, it would also reduce tractive effort-----------------the front wheels are usually in looser soil (first wheels to go over the ground). Turning could also be an issue without some lead. The factory recommendations were based on testing with a number of different lead ratios. The 2-3% seemed to give the best results in the conditions tried. There are always other conditions. |
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The auto makers use a different ratio on a 4WD truck. They will use say a 4.10/4.11 ratio to make sure the front axle is turning a bit faster than the rear. That prevents the rear from pushing the front, better traction. A tractor would be more forgiving I guess but it would seem you would still want to keep some difference in the ratios/ tire height to achieve the same.
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wfmurray
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Could you not check by measure a length(say A hundred feet ) mark tires and then check to see if it gained or loss .Don't have fourmale but I am sure you can make a compriseon.
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michiganmarty
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I bought a 8050 with 18.4 x 26 tires on the front, they were wore out, so I found rims and put 14.9 x 28 on. Oh, I did rebuild the front end, meaning kingpins and such. I contribute it to the big tires. I don't know what Chalmers was thinking with the big tires. I also have a 8030 that has 18.4 x 38 on the rear, with 13.6 x 28 on the front. From what I can tell, the use the same rim as the 14.9 x 28 use. This don't seem quite right, but that's what I can see.
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SHAMELESS
Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: EAST NE Points: 29486 |
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sooooo...you gonna drive it home or have it hauled?
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Nebraskafarms
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as of now im planning on driving it home
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Unit3
Orange Level Joined: 17 Oct 2009 Location: NC Iowa Points: 5509 |
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Our first set of '82's 8070's PS with 6th low and 2nd high were the same speed. 20.8 rear and 14.9 on the front. The 14.9 were shot after 1200 hours. The '85 8070's, like ILGleaner said are nose high with the 18.4 on the front, but the 18.4 last. The 14.9's would break the lungs in half. I like the 18.4 on the front. If we would go to 30" rows, then I don't know what to do. 18.4R38 or 42. I have even dreamed about an AGCO DT275, but, dreaming is free.
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allischalmerguy
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Fred Dunlop wanted to share these with you all.
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It is great being a disciple of Jesus! 1950 WD, 1957 D17...retired in Iowa,
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allischalmerguy
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It is great being a disciple of Jesus! 1950 WD, 1957 D17...retired in Iowa,
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allischalmerguy
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It is great being a disciple of Jesus! 1950 WD, 1957 D17...retired in Iowa,
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Nebraskafarms
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Would you please post the specification page so we can please see the right hand side of the page?? Thanks
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allischalmerguy
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Deep River, IA Points: 2867 |
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Neb try this.
Have it in the window of your computer. Then hold down the control key and hit the - (minus) key it should make your screen smaller so you can see it. |
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It is great being a disciple of Jesus! 1950 WD, 1957 D17...retired in Iowa,
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allischalmerguy
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Deep River, IA Points: 2867 |
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It is great being a disciple of Jesus! 1950 WD, 1957 D17...retired in Iowa,
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WD45
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At bottom of page of 8070 specifications as shown above number is AED 880-8303
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SHAMELESS
Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: EAST NE Points: 29486 |
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I was bidding on it too NF...but you went higher!
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allischalmerguy
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Thanks Fred Dunlop! Mike |
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It is great being a disciple of Jesus! 1950 WD, 1957 D17...retired in Iowa,
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Nebraskafarms
Bronze Level Joined: 01 Jan 2016 Location: Omaha, NE Points: 28 |
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So I dont think anyone answered this... was allis actually putting on these 26" rims on the tractors?? My tractor is a late 1984. Seems like guys with 85's are who have 26's... maybe Allis was getting rid of surplus parts?
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ILGLEANER
Orange Level Access Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Willow Hill,ILL Points: 6443 |
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Ours was an 84 bought new it had 18.4x 26. I really wouldn't worry about it.
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SHAMELESS
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so it it engineered to turn the same speed front and rear? unlike 44's on vehicles that the front turns a bit faster than the rears?
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Nebraskafarms
Bronze Level Joined: 01 Jan 2016 Location: Omaha, NE Points: 28 |
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IL Gleaner i thought you said you had larger tires (20.4's) on the back though I got smaller tires (18.4's)...
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DrAllis
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ALLIS ABSOLUTELY DID PUT 26 INCH FRONT WHEELS ON SOME OF THE LATER 8000 TRACTORS!!!! I SOLD 3 OR 4 OF THEM LIKE THAT! THE ADVERTISING LITERATURE DIDN'T ALWAYS REFLECT WHAT WAS COMING OFF THE ASSEMBLY LINE !! IT ALSO DIDN'T REFLECT THE LATEST POWER SHIFT TRACTORS HAD A FASTER LOW RANGE, BUT THEY DID !!! Also, a 20.8 takes an 18 inch wide wheel and an 18.4 takes a 16 inch wide wheel.
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Daehler
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I have 83 that has 18.4-26 tires. I would like to know why guys or dealers ordered them too because I am not a fan of them. I think it was an option that might have been pushed for flotation. Look at all these new tractors, they use wide tires instead of duals. I will say my 83 8070 is harder to stear than my 85 model with 14.9. I know that the pump is about wore out on the stearing and i think it is because of the big tires |
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DanWi
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Something that I have wondered about and applies here, some brands of tires vs others the same size tire was not the same as others, seemed like goodyears ran on the small side. The other thing is if you your fronts wear out faster because you weight down the front and you are running duals on the back. Then you change from worn out fronts to brand new fronts. I will say from the picture the tractor looks like it is sitting level so many of them look like they are going up hill. If you are thinking about planting with it you may be looking at other sizes so you can make the tractor turn around on the end of the field.
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Kevin in WA
Orange Level Access Joined: 08 Feb 2010 Location: Lynden, WA Points: 607 |
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I would put 18.4x42 on the back and leave the 16.9x26 on the front, would make a nice tractor out of it.
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Nebraskafarms
Bronze Level Joined: 01 Jan 2016 Location: Omaha, NE Points: 28 |
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I would if i had a 42" rim!! Curious can i just put on the larger 38" tires (20.8R38's) on the 38" rims that currently have on it 18.4R38's or is it a different rim all together??
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Lynn Marshall
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Unit3
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IF; one was to put on 18.4R42 on the rear, did AC have a larger center casting or would I have to run those butt ugly step up rims?
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Daehler
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On my 42 the piece that holds the rim to the center is longer. Its a factory non power shift rim with Mexican hat centers. Looks as a 20.8 38 but there is more of a gap between the rim and center. |
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ILGLEANER
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I have a set of factory 18.4 x42 s on the rear of my 8070. |
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