![]() |
This site is not affiliated with AGCO Inc., Duluth GA., Allis-Chalmers Co., Milwaukee, WI., or any surviving or related corporate entity. All trademarks remain the property of their respective owners. All information presented herein should be considered the result of an un-moderated public forum with no responsibility for its accuracy or usability assumed by the users and sponsors of this site or any corporate entity. | |||||
The Forum | Parts and Services | Unofficial Allis Store | Tractor Shows | Serial Numbers | History |
7040 low power issue |
Post Reply ![]() |
Page 12> |
Author | |
Allisguy93 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 29 May 2023 Location: Indiana Points: 34 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posted: 11 Jun 2023 at 1:05pm |
Hello all, new to the forum so please don’t laugh at me to much. So I have a 1976 7040 that I got from my father-in-law , the tractor has been repowered with a N6 combine motor long ago (1983 model I believe), it hasn’t ran in probably 5 years , I dug it out of its grave pulled the pump and injectors out and sent them off to a guy to have them gone threw , this tractor has the roosa master db2 pump I believe and Bosch injectors. Tractor in it’s day was around 250hp and I do remember it being very powerful and would hang with our newholland 8770 genisis So to current time I have it running and have put several hours on it and it runs well and runs smooth but is very lack for power I’m thinking maybe around 90-100hp tops Struggles to run a 15ft batwing in short grass , our other 7040 that is completely stock runs circles around it . I have redone the fuel system to a spin on filter and also has a small electric lift pump , checked and checked again and always have gobs of fuel to the pump , have messed with the timing gear and have it to where I believe it should be , tractor starts pretty well and does smoke and is responsive down lower in the rpm’s but as it gets higher like 1600+ it becomes less and less responsive and very laggy but continues to smoke like a train And will work for you but just is nothing like it use to be .I’ve asked a lot of people about it and tried many of things but it has me at a total loss. Seems like the pump is just turned way down but from my understanding it can’t be turned up unless on a stand , I have the “torque” screw about all the way out and made no difference in power . I am no mechanic when it comes to injection pumps , Any help would be appreciated , thanks all
|
|
![]() |
|
Sponsored Links | |
![]() |
|
injpumpEd ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Walnut IL Points: 5095 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Which way is the return bolt on the injectors facing? My bet is you installed the injectors backwards. Return goes toward valve cover, but is more difficult to get return put on, so many people mistakenly turn them the other way. Problem is the holes come out the tip to accommodate the injector leaning in the head. Turn it a half turn and now the holes aren't spraying a flat pattern on top of piston. What does the pump shop say?
|
|
210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
|
|
![]() |
|
Allisguy93 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 29 May 2023 Location: Indiana Points: 34 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I will double check them tomorrow morning when I get to the farm I didn’t think I could put them in backward cause I thought they had a groove in the head and a little tit on the Injectors but now you got me questioning myself . I haven’t reached out to the guy that went threw them for me , he’s not a allis guy but was nice enough to work on this stuff for me and I hate to complain about something not knowing if it even has anything to do with pump or injectors
|
|
![]() |
|
Allisguy93 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 29 May 2023 Location: Indiana Points: 34 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Ok the suspense was killing me so I drove over there and sure enough you are right I have the return bolts on the bottom so I must have them in upside down I put them in same as our other 7040 with the allis injectors
|
|
![]() |
|
injpumpEd ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Walnut IL Points: 5095 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
AC injectors cannot be put in wrong, inlet on side prevents that error. Bosch injectors have no locating ball or notch to ensure they are properly installed in the head. One just needs to know the return bolt goes to the valve cover. I guarantee it'll run better with them installed the right way. I've seen this happen with IH and JI Case engines as well. It happens.
|
|
210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
|
|
![]() |
|
Allisguy93 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 29 May 2023 Location: Indiana Points: 34 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The return bolt is definitely facing down so there the same way as our other tractor so backward. I must be thinking of the injectors that was in my Cummins engine that had the little ball idk. But thank you for the help I will pull them tomorrow and flip them around and post my results, much much appreciated
|
|
![]() |
|
Kevin210 ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 08 Oct 2018 Location: Indiana Points: 425 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Just a thought,you might check your air filter system to be sure
no unwanted critters have the filter home and restricting air flow. |
|
![]() |
|
Allisguy93 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 29 May 2023 Location: Indiana Points: 34 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Kevin210 I have had it all part and been threw all the tubes and boots and filters ,turbo and intake also checked for intake manifold leaks with either and all to no avail , but thank you for input I think the problem lies in the Injectors and me having them backwards that makes sense as to why it’s acting the way it is , just frustrating that I didn’t know this sooner because I took pictures of all of it before I tore it apart and I thought I put it back the way it was but I’m thinking not now and there is no allis guys around me that k is anything like that
|
|
![]() |
|
DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21836 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Do us all a favor and install a no more than 30 PSI gauge in the intake manifold and tell us how much turbo boost pressure it makes with the throttle WIDE OPEN and pulling hard down to 2300 RPM's. I got news for you....it NEVER had 250 HP.
Edited by DrAllis - 11 Jun 2023 at 6:34pm |
|
![]() |
|
Allisguy93 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 29 May 2023 Location: Indiana Points: 34 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Dr. Allis I have no idea how much power it really had just what I was told was around 250hp my father in-law said he pulled a 6 shank ripper pretty deep at 10 mph. He said that tractor was hot in it’s day I don’t care if it’s only 150hp I just want it right and to at least keep up with our other one that’s stock and yes I can rig up a boost gauge was planning to do that anyway to figure out if I had a boost problem causing the lack of power , turbo is stock I think it’s a .96 ar is what housing says and it’s tight on in and out shaft play
|
|
![]() |
|
Allisguy93 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 29 May 2023 Location: Indiana Points: 34 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I do remember when I was dating my wife probably 11-12 years ago now when he still farmed with some I pulled a 40ft Phillips harrow with it same one we usually pulled with the 7580
|
|
![]() |
|
DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21836 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Good. You have one to compare it to. I'd expect about 14 psi max of turbo boost. Check the good one. Then, you'll know what you should have.
|
|
![]() |
|
Allisguy93 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 29 May 2023 Location: Indiana Points: 34 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Pulled the Injectors, turned them around and stuck them back in today and she runs great! Haven’t worked it yet or got a boost guage on it but will try to tomorrow but acts 100% better. Thanks injectionpumpEd and everyone else that commented so far
|
|
![]() |
|
SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8612 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Let us know how it does. I'm sure you got your old tractor back now.
|
|
![]() |
|
AC7060IL ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 19 Aug 2012 Location: central IL Points: 3530 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Welcome to the AC forum. Congratulations on
acquiring your FIL's 7040. Is it a 20speed Power Director or 12 speed Power Shift? A gleaner N6's 3750 670HI engine was 220hp
stock. Applications for that engine were as follows; 7080, 7580, 4W220,
N6. At 250hp, that engine's fuel has been increased 13.6%. Do you or your FIL remember any additional upgrades done during it's repowering? Larger size radiator for adequate cooling? Heavier duty clutch pressure plate?, etc.?
|
|
![]() |
|
Allisguy93 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 29 May 2023 Location: Indiana Points: 34 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
It is a 20 speed power director trans
It doesn’t have any upgrades done other than torque screw backed out that I know of It got a new clutch and torque when motor was put in and the radiator was boiled out but Is the stock 7040 radiator |
|
![]() |
|
SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8612 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Be careful there, I think combine engines were rated at flywheel hp so not a true comparison.
|
|
![]() |
|
Allisguy93 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 29 May 2023 Location: Indiana Points: 34 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
So we just took both 7040’s up to our local new holland dealer and ran them on there pto dyno. Mine with the n6 motor made a 120hp and 9psi of boost and our other one that’s stock engine made 160hp and 14psi so glad on the one and disappointed on mine acts like it isn’t getting enough fuel out of the pump or it’s just flat wore out but seems to run to good to be the case
|
|
![]() |
|
SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8612 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I think your pump needs put back on the test stand and corrected. No boost,no power. It's not delivering enough fuel.
Edited by SteveM C/IL - 14 Jun 2023 at 10:10am |
|
![]() |
|
Allisguy93 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 29 May 2023 Location: Indiana Points: 34 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Was my thought. I’m trying to contact the guy that went threw it for me. What do I have him set it at? I would like to have it at least 200 or better at the pto if it’s possible to do and still use it like a tractor and not completely get my butt kicked in a out the feild class to hook it in. A had an 8070 that was 230hp at the pto. Different motor I understand but was not hot or Smokey to use or use hard for that fact This tractor will bushhog is the hardest it will get worked
Edited by Allisguy93 - 14 Jun 2023 at 10:39am |
|
![]() |
|
injpumpEd ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Walnut IL Points: 5095 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
You're probably right in thinking it's a fuel flow to the pump restriction. Happens all the time, people think they have injection pump issues, when it's a plumbing issue.
|
|
210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
|
|
![]() |
|
Allisguy93 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 29 May 2023 Location: Indiana Points: 34 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Ed do you think the in-line low psi lift pump i have in the line could be holding it back? I can’t remember how many psi it is , it’s been around along time and was on one of my 12v Cummins trucks. It’s probably 8-12psi if I was to guess
|
|
![]() |
|
Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 12157 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I’m reading that you want to competition pull with it too? ….and brush hog.
|
|
![]() |
|
Allisguy93 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 29 May 2023 Location: Indiana Points: 34 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
No I don’t want to competition pull it. But we have a local pull with a straight out of the feild farm stock run what you brung class that we have put stuff in before but everyone and there brother bring there turned to the moon 1066 or 4320 and win. Just be nice to ruffle some feathers was all I would hope for
|
|
![]() |
|
Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 12157 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Tomato tomato….ok, but pulling. Call it what you want
|
|
![]() |
|
injpumpEd ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Walnut IL Points: 5095 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
many people put on those little fuel pumps on these and it absolutely does restrict flow to the injection pump.
|
|
210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
|
|
![]() |
|
Allisguy93 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 29 May 2023 Location: Indiana Points: 34 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Injpumped is there a way I can talk to you on the phone?
|
|
![]() |
|
AC7060IL ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 19 Aug 2012 Location: central IL Points: 3530 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
|
|
![]() |
|
Allisguy93 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 29 May 2023 Location: Indiana Points: 34 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Hardly any smoke out the stack at all It does have some blow by. She is tired and I know it , but she isn’t shot . I think it’s in the pump somewhere checked the timing again and retimed it to dead on 18* pulled fuel lines and inspected. Took off lift pump and would not start without it , put it back on and rebled it and got it running messed with timing advance on pump after talking to pump guy and it’s almost all the way in and has a decent ping to it now so guessing it’s advanced pretty good, was the only way to make it not pop as it revs up but still a complete t**d and no smoke
|
|
![]() |
|
injpumpEd ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Walnut IL Points: 5095 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
So correcting the injectors made it run better, but still a dog? You've got a serious issue if it won't start without the electric pump. The injection pump has it's own transfer pump inside. If it was properly rebuilt, it should be fine. I'd be questioning your pump shop. I never like to see someone go adjusting my pump settings. You may still have a plumbing on the tractor issue. Good luck!
|
|
210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
|
|
![]() |
Post Reply ![]() |
Page 12> |
Tweet
|
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions ![]() You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |