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516 replacing 426

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote allisguy.11 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Mar 2017 at 7:19pm
oh and the 220 actually got a new lease on life... that was another possible canidate for this swap. found a genset with 4 hours on  it. vertical cooler.... all correct. loooks and runs like new. fun process in swapping stuff around and getting it to work but she purs now

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Peterson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Dec 2017 at 9:40am
Soooooooo any update on this?
7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote allisguy.11 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Dec 2017 at 9:55am
nope..... too many projects. come do it for me lol
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My argument is if the 516 is such a poor engine and outdated then why, praytell, did Allis put it in the N7? And why is it considered a better engine than the N6's 426 by most combine operators? My dad's HD11 has the 516 and it is a great starting engine even in the cold and is very fuel efficient compared to the neighbors Cat, going by the Cat owner who used to own that very HD11. I've seen testimonials on the combine forum where most with experience with Gleaners of that vintage say the 516 is a far better engine than the 426 and actually uses less fuel in the N7 than the 426 in the N6. I have never bought it that it was an obsolete engine. You know what? If it needed upgrades like a better fuel system or better piston design or whatnot then do that. If there is too many cast Iron parts....oil pan? or valve covers? I don't what is cast on these......... Put tin on. I don't get it. The engines used by Case are big and heavy and that is used as a selling point. And anyhow, a 7080 needs 1500# of weight added out front and fluid in the front tires in order to use the power. Skip some of that by using a heavier engine. Tell me this, how well did an over reved 426 putting out 220 flywheel HP work out? Thought so. Hindsight is 20/20 but my hindsight says the 516 would have been a far better choice and the warranty work that Allis was forced to spend big dollars would have been avoided not to mention the reputation the 7580 and 7080 gave Allis that affected the whole line by rumor. There................ rant over. I'll take a biscuit.

Oh and torque can be controlled, as far as I know, by fuel delivery. Make that engine fit the desired torque curve by fuel delivery. Either that or the 7080 driveline was a dang poor design and should have never been built......... I know that's not true.

Or the 426, how about why didn't they ever try to change the connection rods to an offset cap so a larger journal could be utilized? Why was M&W able to come up with a better piston that provided better starting? It just sounds like engineering gave up or something.


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Lonn, I agree with you totally on the 426, with a few updates, larger rod journals, taller head with bigger valves so it will breath better, and of course most importantly an inline injection pump, it could of had a good life.
 I have measured a 516 out of an N7 and it is too wide in the front below the injection pump to fit in the frame rails of a 7 or 8000 without some major modification.
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