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    Posted: 15 Nov 2014 at 7:35pm
It has taken some time but we have finally started re-assembling our 416. This was an Ebay find I bought for $150 for my sons and I to rebuild. We mowed with it for a year before the engine demanded a rebuild so we decided to completely redo it.
We started with this:

Then it went to this:


Finally making some progress and adding some color:



Finally bringing it home Friday to start reassembly:

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sugarmaker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Nov 2014 at 6:21am
Good work in bringing this tractor back to original condition. I haven't worked on any Allis garden tractors. Have done a couple Cub Cadets and its as much work as doing a full size tractor. Kind of kick myself for giving my dad's Allis 110 away.
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I will most likely b doing this to our 912,in the near future.

U'rs is look'n great. Keep us with updates.
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Hey,that is going to look great! I can't wait to see the finished pictures.
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Slowly getting her back together. Last week we got the transaxle bolted to the frame and installed the new electric lift.
Friday I got some color on the hood and wheels but there was a problem with the paint so I will redo it this week. The engine was back in the frame yesterday for the first time in three years which was a great feeling. This week I'm ordering the front tires and maybe next weekend she will be standing on her own again.









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Sorry for the large images. I tried to resize them but they still turned out too big. I might be better uploading them to photobucket first.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote HudCo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Nov 2014 at 11:20am
looks good we do them big or little they all have four wheels and hoods and fenders ect. they all take alot of work but it sure is worth it and you will use this every week thats the reward
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I ran them though photobucket and resized them so it looks better.
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Oh man Randy! That is lookin' nice!! That's gonna be a beauty when its done! Keep them pics comin' !!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Randy Richesin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Nov 2014 at 4:01pm
Thanks for the comments. Steve I was thinking about you yesterday after spending all day taking three wiring harnesses and making one just to add the electric lift. After about the third hour I thought "this would be easier to hire it done" and you were the first to come to my mind.

Today I re-sprayed the hood which turned out great this time. I also ordered the front tires. I'm putting V61's on the front and true power lugs on the back. She should look pretty mean with that setup pulling this:

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Where in the world did you find a scraper like that? Lucky dog!
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Never seem one of dem'!  Pretty slick if I do say so ma'self!!
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I bought the scraper and a weathered but barely used sleeve hitch plow for $100 at a consignnment sale about three years ago. It has the wrong size wheels but everything else works. Look up Soilmover on youtube for some neat videos of the scrapers in action.
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Would you like to double your money
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Sorry but I think I will keep it. With seven GT's in the basement I can always hook it to something. I plan on playing with it awhile then I'm going to sand blast and paint it. I figure it will always be the only one at the show.
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After a long week at work we finally got a few things done to the 416. The sheet metal is on and I am wiring everything up. The new front tires are mounted and on the tractor. I repaired the tow hitch where a PO had used a torch on it and now I am refinishing the sleeve hitch.









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I finally got it wired and everything but the headlights working wich is a ground I need to fix. The front tires are on as well as the rear fender. I'm hoping to fire her up this week or maybe the weekend and start all the adjusting I know she will need.







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Lookin' good Randy! Lookin' good!! Look at the smile on that kids face man. That says it all. I like the White hood! I don't remember seeing a lot of 416's. Is that a lower production model GT? Neat little bugger..
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I love those front tires! Will have to get a set or two of them sometime! It's looking Great! And its Great that your sons are helping and learning. Big smile 
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really like those front tires too       on the dash where is reverse at does it have a seperate forward reverse ?
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Forgot to mention about the front tires. They are pretty nice! Gets the Tractor away from the old knobby tire Garden Tractor look. Looks more like a large Tractor. I ordered the same similar tread design to put on the front of my 620.
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We're did you get the ribbed tires for the front of your 620 , and how much did they cost.
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Thanks for the comments! HudCo it is a 416S the S means it has the shuttle transmission. You have four gears on the shifter then the shuttle lever to the right of the steering wheel. Push the lever up to go forward and down to go backward. In the middle is stopped. Basicly four forward and four reverse gears.

Steve the best I can find out is the 400 series started in 1973 after replacing the 300 series and ran for nine months. There were two models the 410 and 416. I have had people tell me there was a 412 and 414 but I have never found one and none of the Allis Chalmers literature mentions them. They dropped the variable speed tranmission and replaced it with the shuttle and they also had a hydr version. When Allis Chalmers settled the anti-trust lawsuit with the feds they closed the South Carolina plant and all production moved back to Wisconsin based on the Simplicity lines.

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Nice work Randy! I did a little checking and while the sales literature doesn't show a 14hp model the operators book lists the following 5 tractors:

410 - 3 speed.
410S- Shuttle.
414S- Shuttle.
416S- Shuttle.
416H- Hydrostatic

I don't believe there was a 12hp in the 400 Series.
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I knew about the listing in the operators book and have had this discussion before. A couple of people have told me they thought that because of the short production run few if any 414s made it off the line. The reasoning behind this might have been the 10 and 16hp engines were the most popular engines at that time and they concentrated on those in the begining of production. I have never found a 414 but would LOVE to have one in my lineup.
I think the next Allis after this will be a yellow one or one of the 900 series unless a 616,620,or 720 finds me then all bets are off,lol. For now the next ones to be restored are three Cub Cadets,they keep finding me;)I love all garden tractors but I bleed orange and creme!
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Stevo!
E-bay. Tucker Tire, 400-12's tri rib $86. bucks for two!
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Would you be so kind to show me a picture of those front tires on that 620 of yours.come on show it off a little bit.
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I don't have the tires yet. The front end is still out from under my 620 yet. Won't be goin' back under till the Spring time.  To darn cold Outside! LOL!  I do have this pic of it from this summer working on it. I painted the chassis and finals.
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Nice job on the mower Randy. I like the look of those front tires also.
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Nice job Steve! I was to redo a 616,620,or 720 some day.

Thank you Stan! Were you the one I bought the factory manual from a few years ago?
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