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4-14 plowing SC D19

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Teddy (punchie) View Drop Down
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    Posted: 13 May 2011 at 1:26pm
Well when Okay today not right but ok. Still a little light on the 4 bottom. Does good on the hillside, pushing up hill, turning over. But they say the D19 is a five plow tractor, not here in Western PA, I'm having enough for her in 2nd low and high. Only plowing about 6-8" and that is around 4-5 " on the forth bottom. I don't think a D17 would pull a 4 bottom here. This ground was all plowed 2 yrs ago, disk and harrowed last year. Plow points are all 90% or better, trash guards and coulters. The coulters need to be set.

I would have to say and  sorry for this, but no question about it Oliver Radex drag 2-16  is by far a better plow, I run the Wd's in 2nd and 3rd, Farmall H in 3rd - 4th, with 8-9" deep in some ground that has not seen a plow of years and she does a great job. Guess I'll have to try to look for a three bottom set. 

Use the SC for plowing ground that has been recently plowed.
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Heres the thing about pulling a plow, if you have a plow that isnt set correctly you can stop  a 150hp fwa tractor in its tracks with 4 bottoms. Everybody always thinks there grounds is so tough to plow, but its usually the plow, not the ground. On those old plows the draft and wheel tread settings are very important, the plow must  be level side to side and front to back, the tail wheel which nobody pays much attention to can make a world of difference if its not turned correctly, it should steer into the furrow slightly, and I do mean slightly, if its steering out the plow will drift wide and if its steering to far into the furrow the plow will tend to push rather than plow. I have set 3-16 snap coupler on a D-17 and plowed in 4th gear lo range in heavy soils, the tractor didnt play with it but it didnt back down either and the amount of draft at that speed is tremendous. Another thing with AC tractors is to have the traction booster funtioning properly with out it the plow pulls very hard. Never assume a plow has been set, I have set 100's of plows that plowed years and years with out ever being set. The problem was always solved by getting a bigger tractor rather than taking the time to set the plow.

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Hi KC  The tail wheel is mounted I have it set for 7" above the heel of the landslide. It is made to only go up or down. 
 
The tractor seems to be pulling even.  I had to inflate the 15.5 X 38 tires to move the plows would not lift high enough to clear the ground,  they are very heavy plows some 12.5 ' long. The front end is a little light with the plows so I mounted a set of WD wheel weights to each tire.   Started to plow and 1st bottom was right around 7 " deep 4 th was only about 4 " deep. Second pass was better made some adjustment and maybe got and inch more one the 4th bottom. So I'm running the number 1st bottom a little deep and than the 4 th bottom is around 6 " . Next I had to let air out of the right tire, about 2 pounds or so she was air up too much, and she plowed ok but was at full throttle, and had to go into 2nd low a number of time each pass. 
 
After I got use to setting the plows depth going over low spots and high spots, rolls in the field.  I when to the hill side and I mean hillslide I'm thinking around 20-25 % grade some 40'-45'  wide pass, about 8'-12' of raise in the width of that field,  Pulled the front end down some had to play the right brake, plowing through sod up hill and did just about the same, just the 4th bottom not going down. I was thinking if I had the plows not mounted right it would pull hard the one side or the other, that doesn't seem to be the case.
 
Any soft places the plows would go too deep I would reset the depth, I'm working on seeing if the traction booster funtioning properly. Never used one before.
 
Thanks !!
 
 
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Make sure the verticle lift arms are lifting from the underside of the crossbar.
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KC is right. Takes some tinkering to set the plow correctly. Have pulled 4X16's (no tail wheel, just a landside) with a D17SIV in 3rd hi in heavy sod that had not seen a plow in 30 years until I hit a rock and really lifted the front end off the ground (then I slowed it down to 2nd Hi).
 
I usually start by blocking up the left side (front and rear tires on that side) approx 7-8" then adjust the plow (side to side) so that it is level. Then I adjust the front to rear with the beaming screw so that the nose of the 1st share is 1"-2" higher than the back of the last share (this allows the plow to "level out" when it at plowing depth). I also make sure that the front and rear tires are adjusted so that they ride in the furrow and the 1st share is getting a full cut. Normally the 1st pass results in the inside furrow a few inches deeper than the furrow from the last share. The next pass, when the tires are in the furrow results in all furrows being the same depth (approx 7-8"). A properly working traction booster is a pleasure to p[low with. I beelieve the D19 also had a "hold" setting, that if working, would also prevent the plows from digging in on the softer soil. 
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i have a pair of old cross tie's set as a parking stop on a level spot in front of the barn, and i use it just as greg has mentioned above, to level the plow both front to rear as well as side to side, and i will put each and every tractor plow combination on that as a template before going to the field with it the first time
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 I wish I could help you over the computer with setting a plow but I cant, I have to walk behind and watch the plow go threw the field and see what its doing to be able to set a plow. The other posters are right as far as some preliminary settings in the yard, but unfortunatly thats only close, which works in hand grenades and horseshoes but no so well on a plow, but it will get you in the same ball park. Once the plow is scoured and set properly it pulls much easier.  The furrows should all look identical if set properly, you should not be able to tell one pass from another.See if you can find yourself an owners manual on ebay or something even if its not for your same plow it will still help you and give you the measurements for the wheels etc. YOU MUST have the traction booster working its day and night in pulling a plow. I had a customer that had a 8050 MFD he bought a new 4-16 semi mount plow, a left over Allis Chalmers when duetz destroyed them, I urged him to buy 5-18/20 White 588 but because Duetz was giving this inventory away he bought the AC, I argued it was to small for that big tractor he told me I should ride with them because there ground was so "heavy" the tractor had its handful, So I went out to see this for myself, there old plow an identical AC model but older they had pulled apart numerous times with a 7040 and than finished destroying it with the 8050 hence the reason they bought a new one. I made a couple rounds with them fine tuning the plow to the tractor but it still pulled like a stone, I couldnt imagine what the deal was when it dawned on me the traction booster was off, I reached over him to grab the booster lever pulled it up into draft and the tractor just took off, it scared the owner so bad he shoved in the clutch becuase he thought the tractor had come unhooked from the plow, he looked at me and asked what the hell I had just done, when I explained to him the traction booster system it became perfectly clear why they had pulled the old plow into pieces, needless to say that tractor has been plowing since 1988 WITH the traction booster and the plow is still in one piece.
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Teddy  It can be done, dad had a D19 with the 5X16 snap coupler plow.  He used it and liked it.  Just sold the plow last year. 

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HI Bob  KC and Greg KY Tom

 Well I had the right adjustment arm on the right side on top and not the bottom. Made 3 pass on hillside looking like it level things out. If it ever stops raining I'll try it on a level field.  See if I can get the TB to work. 

 Thanks !! Teddy 
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Make sure the points are in good shape.  My dad was the worlds worst about trying to rebuild points welding on plates then grinding them down or just running worn points.  When I got the plow first thing I did was buy new points.  It was amazing how well the plow pulled.
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