40-50 hp tractors Who wins?

WD-45 for sure, it was always known to be the head of its class.  The farmalls are geared too high in road gear, and when pulling something up hill typically they have to be shifted down, where as the ol WD-45 will bark right up that hill in road gear.  And for the 60, they are definately not the most comfortable considering the breaks are basically behind the seat, and the seat has no shock absorber to it, and that hand clutch is a whole other story in itself.

Well this is coming from a guy that loves Allis-Chalmers just as much as John Deere. So I would be happy with either the WD45 or the 60.

I'm going to vote Super MTA. Unless the 45 was a diesel.......

The heck it is. If it was a hand clutch like the WD-45 had it would be fine.  Why would you want another lever to operate with your hand?

   Don't forget the Super 88 Oliver, the Minneapolis Moline UB, and the 444 Massey and the DC Case would have been competing with these also. On paper the Oliver Super 88 would have been the one to beat 6 cylinders, 6 speed trans, disc brakes, and a true live PTO, a torsion suspension seat, and the only one in the group other than the WD45 to have a shipping weight under 4500lbs.  The WD45 really gave you the physical size and weight of the Super H but with the snap coupler, traction booster and power crater engine the performance to compete with the Super M. When you go to a aftermarket 3-point your not able to fully utilize the traction booster and probably be outperformed in heavy tillage by the much larger competetors. You will see a lot of 45's pulling 4 bottom snap coupler plows but they really struggle with a 4 bottom pull type unlike a fully weighted Super M or UB Minnie or

I wouldn't really say its a hobby bc I constantly use the A to mow, disk, plow, run hydraulics, and pull scrap iron out of ditches. Probably going to use it to cut hay, pull a swather and tedder at the neighbors latter this spring. I also do all the same things with my WD45. I guess im just use to both and they both work great for me.

If I didnt have things tied up so much right now I let a Super MTA go for 2500 bucks in decent shape 2 weeks ago....they were a pretty stout tractor and as said above....Rare to find

I have a couple of wd45's, a JD 60, and a farmall 400 which is close to a SMTA.  I think they are all about the same but they all have positives and negatives.  The farmall 400 is never short on power for pulling or pto, it has standard hydraulics, power steering and will walk the dog with my three 16 trailer plow or 8 ft disk, and it moves down the road at pretty good clip.  The bad is that it is big akward heavy not well suited for any kind of wet ground compared to the WD45 also it is hard on fuel compared to the other two.  The 60 is a great starting and running tractor it has plenty of power and is well balanced giving it good weight distribution increaseing traction, it is also good on fuel. The down side is that mine does not have power steering and when trying to manuever it in a tight area a right handed person starts building a strong left arm and the top end leaves something to be desired for road travel.  The 45 is definately the winner on most of my ground it will float across spots that the farmall disapears in.  The big downfall for the 45 has to be the low volume hydraulics that limit the implements I have for it.  The other two tractors will pull out pull the 45 on a trailer plow or disk but the draft control with a snap coupler plow lets it work circles around the other two It give the tractor better traction and allows you to manuver easier.  The other negative on the 45 has to be the relatively slow top speed, with the exception of one of my 45s having a broken govenor weight and be able to go close to 20 mph the 45 is a pretty slow tractor when compared to the farmall.

which 3 point system is on the Allis?  If it utilizes the power booster/draft control and the geometry is right, and all tractors are being used within their stock horsepower limitations,  The Allis will probably win overall, except on the hydraulic remote.  Should be able to add a crank driven 10-12 gpm 2000psi pump and come out ahead.   

For one thing you'll be in the field longer with the 45. A normal running 45 is way better than M's and 60's on fuel. I have seen the proof and heard it from owners of an A and 60 compared to my wd with 45 crank and overbore my brotherinlaw couldn't belive it. The other is a budy that has a 45,MTA and 400 he uses the 45 mainly to save on gas he says but he is an IH guy at heart. I would say there is more technology in the Allis than the other two drag tractors. There would be no question in my mind of wich one but maybe it's not fair because I like "Allis Chalmers" not the clumsy ones.

Well I will say the worst loader tractor would be a JD with a hand clutch! Too many leavers!

Depends on what you are doing-if mounted equipment such as plow, the traction booster would be a big advantage.  If just choring around the farm, the Farmals are a smooth machine.  I like the sound of the JD 2 cylinders, but would not want to make my living with one.

It seems to me that a JD 70 would be a better fit in this category than the 60.  I once owned a JD70, and either my WD45 gas or diesel would run it right out of the field using the mounted equipment on the AC's.  The 70 was awkward, had poor clutch and brakes, the power steering was sluggish, and, I thought, for the size of the tractor, was underpowered.  My 45 diesel with duals, pulled the 14' cultimulcher much better than the 70 with duals. 

I wish the hand clutch on my 45 worked to the front like my B that way it is not hitting my long legs.  Every time I drive it, I think about changing it to work the opposite way

Forgive me guys I couldn't keep from replying like that I grew up around people bragging on super m and them green 2 poppers first tractor I ever used that I liked was 190xt after putting up with jd b ih 300 330 and 2 460s had to keep all of the above parked on hill to make sure they would start when needed . Everyone used to make fun of my off color tractor in their eyes but it would run rings around neighbors 806, 966,856 red tractors , and other neighbors 4020,4320,4230,and with duals would keep up with their pride of the farm 4520 green tractors. Had never been around wd45 until about 5 years ago when baling hay about 20 miles from home guy we were baling for wanted us to use his wd45 to rake with I made 1 round around field parked wd45 walked across field unhooked 7050 from round baler drive past dad cutting with 185 he starts raising heck with me using such large tractor to rake with Itold him if he didn't want me doing that then he could rake and I would cut he agreed drove 7050 to where wd45 was parked took 1 round around field unhooked rake and hooked up 7050 he never argued with anymore next day we hauled 175ac in to rake with.