This site is not affiliated with AGCO Inc., Duluth GA., Allis-Chalmers Co., Milwaukee, WI., or any surviving or related corporate entity. All trademarks remain the property of their respective owners. All information presented herein should be considered the result of an un-moderated public forum with no responsibility for its accuracy or usability assumed by the users and sponsors of this site or any corporate entity.
The Forum Parts and Services Unofficial Allis Store Tractor Shows Serial Numbers History
Forum Home Forum Home > Other Topics > Pulling Forum
  New Posts New Posts
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login


301 gasser

 Post Reply Post Reply
Author
Message
allis3 View Drop Down
Bronze Level
Bronze Level
Avatar

Joined: 29 Jul 2012
Location: usa
Points: 46
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote allis3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: 301 gasser
    Posted: 06 Sep 2018 at 8:52pm
How big has anyone built a 301 gas for pulling
Back to Top
Sponsored Links


Back to Top
DrAllis View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Points: 20535
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DrAllis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Sep 2018 at 7:22am
442. Next question.
Back to Top
allis3 View Drop Down
Bronze Level
Bronze Level
Avatar

Joined: 29 Jul 2012
Location: usa
Points: 46
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote allis3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Sep 2018 at 8:58am
That’s descent but we’re gonna be competing 8-10 mph with RDs and big cube Oliver’s and Deere’s. Hoping to get up close to 600
Back to Top
DrAllis View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Points: 20535
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DrAllis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Sep 2018 at 10:16am
Not gonna happen with a 2000 series AC.
Back to Top
allis3 View Drop Down
Bronze Level
Bronze Level
Avatar

Joined: 29 Jul 2012
Location: usa
Points: 46
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote allis3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Sep 2018 at 11:05am
Not enough room to swing ,
Back to Top
DrAllis View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Points: 20535
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DrAllis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Sep 2018 at 1:38pm
442 is 4 1/2" bore X  4 5/8" stroke and I had to grind notches in the camshaft to clear the rods when they swing by. Same bore with a 6 inch stroke is 572 cubes and I see no way to accomplish that much swing even with custom made conn rods, but maybe  if there's enough $$$$$$ applied to the job   ??
Back to Top
allis3 View Drop Down
Bronze Level
Bronze Level
Avatar

Joined: 29 Jul 2012
Location: usa
Points: 46
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote allis3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Sep 2018 at 2:35pm
I haven’t been in the 301s , built quite a few 226s. Biggest being a little over 400 cubes . I guess I’ll take one apart and see what happens thanks for your response
Back to Top
d17brown View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: farley iowa
Points: 1689
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote d17brown Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Sep 2018 at 7:55pm
had a 226 to 435cubes
phil
Back to Top
allis3 View Drop Down
Bronze Level
Bronze Level
Avatar

Joined: 29 Jul 2012
Location: usa
Points: 46
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote allis3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Sep 2018 at 8:06am
Yes I’ve built some around that big , but not the 6 cylinder, I’ll just have to get inside and see
Back to Top
AaronSEIA View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: Mt Pleasant, IA
Points: 2551
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AaronSEIA Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Sep 2018 at 4:37pm
How do you get a 226 to 435?
AaronSEIA
Back to Top
d17brown View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: farley iowa
Points: 1689
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote d17brown Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Sep 2018 at 7:53pm
4.706 bore, 6.25 stroke. Ran in a D17,
phil
Back to Top
AaronSEIA View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: Mt Pleasant, IA
Points: 2551
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AaronSEIA Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Sep 2018 at 8:34pm
How thin was the webbing between the cylinders?  I don't recall there being that much extra room.  It is impressive what you guys can do to make cubes.
AaronSEIA
Back to Top
allis3 View Drop Down
Bronze Level
Bronze Level
Avatar

Joined: 29 Jul 2012
Location: usa
Points: 46
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote allis3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Sep 2018 at 6:53am
My sleeves were touching,I believe they were .120 thick
Back to Top
Larry W. View Drop Down
Silver Level
Silver Level


Joined: 07 Nov 2010
Location: Luck, WI
Points: 280
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Larry W. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 12:42pm
530 ci
Back to Top
bsallis180 View Drop Down
Silver Level
Silver Level


Joined: 29 Jul 2013
Location: Pennsylvania
Points: 209
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote bsallis180 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 12:57pm
Wow Larry that’s impressive what was your bore and stroke? That is amazing
Back to Top
d17brown View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: farley iowa
Points: 1689
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote d17brown Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Feb 2019 at 2:37pm
i have a 301 gas motor for sale complete

phil
Back to Top
DrAllis View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Points: 20535
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DrAllis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Feb 2019 at 9:52pm
4.500" on the bore and 5.550" on the stroke gets you 530 cubes.
Back to Top
bsallis180 View Drop Down
Silver Level
Silver Level


Joined: 29 Jul 2013
Location: Pennsylvania
Points: 209
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote bsallis180 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 6:03pm
So doc how big can you go on a NA gas till the flow of the head won’t flow enough to fill the bore?
Back to Top
DrAllis View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Points: 20535
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DrAllis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Feb 2019 at 7:10am
Don't have any idea. I don't have access to a flow-bench. The carburetor (to a degree) controls how many gallons of air per minute the engine can breathe. I have found using the same stock carb, cylinder head and camshaft and going from 310 to 360 to 390 cubes over the years, in open RPM classes, the more cubes, the less RPM the engine can run, but the torque down low keeps increasing. Turbocharged diesel engine HP also is limited by the size and efficiency of the turbo compressor inlet size. More air in means more potential HP. More cubes, with the same turbo air inlet size, keeps bringing down the top RPM's and adding to the low end torque.
Back to Top
bsallis180 View Drop Down
Silver Level
Silver Level


Joined: 29 Jul 2013
Location: Pennsylvania
Points: 209
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote bsallis180 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Feb 2019 at 1:47pm
Regardless the toque will still rise as long as the holes fill up. What for carburetor anything larger then 1-7/8?
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 11.10
Copyright ©2001-2017 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 0.078 seconds.


Help Support the
Unofficial Allis Forum