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calico190xt68 
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Posted: 24 May 2018 at 8:03am |
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Upon cold starting my 190xt last night, I noticed that after putting into 1st gear and then 3rd gear, that it very slowly started to move. I am guessing this is a hint that the clutch is wearing out, but I thought I would collect comments on how I could pinpoint the problem a little closer, and if there is anything I can do other than splitting the tractor? I am also wondering if I can predict how long it will last like this? Can I make it through the summer? Would this be a powershift problem rather than a clutch problem? Thanks in advance for any ideas.
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Posted: 24 May 2018 at 8:14am |
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Do you mean it creeps with the Power Director in neutral or do you mean with both clutches engages it doesn't want to move?
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Posted: 24 May 2018 at 8:43am |
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There has to be "free-play" in the foot clutch pedal. 4 inches works for me. Did the power steering work when you were noticing this problem ???
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Posted: 24 May 2018 at 11:57am |
Both the clutch and the power director were engaged. When I let out on the clutch, it would barely move, but it would slowly creep. Eventually it got going and moved as expected. It just took a long time like 5 seconds. When it was hot, I didn't notice it being that slow, but it was still a little slow.
I never thought to check the hydraulic fluid but I think you are implying that if that is low, it would affect the power director? I will check it later tonight.
I will try some other gears and combinations to see if it reacts different as well. Sure would like to eliminate the easy stuff before I panic.
Thanks as always.
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Posted: 24 May 2018 at 12:09pm |
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Hydraulic oil makes the Power Director work, as it does the power steering.
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Posted: 24 May 2018 at 4:00pm |
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Eliminate the easy stuff by making sure there is 4 inches of free-play in the clutch pedal.
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Posted: 24 May 2018 at 5:02pm |
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Not to argue with the Dr. but I think clutch pedal free play should be around 2 inches for a 190.
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Posted: 25 May 2018 at 7:18am |
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That would be 2 inches MINIMUM !!! Whenever I adjust one I usually set it at closer to 6 inches. As the clutch wears, the distance keeps getting less and less until there is zero free-play. Most operators are terrible at keeping a clutch adjusted anyway. Start high and hope it lasts until the clutch is worn out.
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Posted: 25 May 2018 at 7:39am |
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First, my hydraulic oil was low so I filled it up last night but didn't have time to check it out. I will determine if this helps me over the weekend. Second, I do not know how to adjust the free pedal spacing so would appreciate understanding how to do this. Third, is the free pedal spacing something that you have to adjust on a continual basis. Thanks in advance for the answers.
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Posted: 25 May 2018 at 8:03am |
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The link from pedal has a thread clevis on end. Lengthen the link for more free travel. Mack
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Posted: 25 May 2018 at 6:14pm |
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Check to see if it does it in low range and high range
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Posted: 28 May 2018 at 7:40pm |
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Any update? See if you have any oil leaking at the bottom of the bell housing. Rear main seal may be leaking and getting on the clutch making it slip. As others have said, check your free play first. There are pressure tests for the power director at low and hi range on the side of the shifter block. Main clutch needs to be checked first.
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Posted: 28 May 2018 at 8:25pm |
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The free travel needs to be checked every few hundred hours as normal maintenance. As far as the free travel adjustment, it is measured as the pedal play as you begin to push the clutch pedal until you begin to feel the clutch release bearing engage the clutch release levers or fingers as some call them. It is easier to feel it in my opinion standing on the ground beside the clutch pedal and pressing the clutch pedal by hand until you feel the pressure of the clutch fingers. This distance is the free travel. Agco book says 2 inches of free play is recommended which equates to 3/16’s of clearance. If it is out of adjustment, remove the left side cover, disconnect the clutch pedal link rod from the clutch release lever and adjust the yoke as Mack said until you get the proper adjustment. As the clutch wears this has to be adjusted to compensate for the wear.
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Posted: 28 May 2018 at 8:28pm |
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Before you get to excited, check to see if pto is also slow to turn like the 2spd clutches are... if it is slow to start turn like the wheels are, then it is possible your foot clutch is slipping... or your hydraulic pressure is next to none existent.
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Posted: 28 May 2018 at 8:32pm |
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The point is with clutch pedal free play you need some free play or it is just like keeping your foot on the clutch and it will slip. If you have no free play now then you need to adjust like they said above and then see if the clutch works without slipping.
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Posted: 28 May 2018 at 8:35pm |
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Too much free travel will result in the clutch not fully disengaging upon complete pedal throw. Results will be hard shifting, gear grinding as you place the tractor in gear and the tractor not wanting to come to a complete stop upon full clutch pedal throw.
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Posted: 29 May 2018 at 5:10am |
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I put a new clutch in my XT several years ago, and couldn't get but an inch or two of free travel, and was out of adjustment. Guess when the guy gets done with my engine, I'll see how it turns out then. Darrel
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Posted: 29 May 2018 at 7:41am |
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The update on this issue is that it appears I was low on hydraulic fluid. I apparently have a leak that has gotten worse because it was full about a month ago. After filling the hydraulic fluid, it hasn't acted up. I used it a bunch of the weekend making hay. I appreciate the unexpected insight into the clutch adjustment issue. I am going to check it out and see what my free play is and monitor that.
The history on this tractor is a little hard to figure it out. On the one hand, it has had several major parts replaced and someone decided to put brand new tires on it, which made me think they might have fixed the clutch at some point. It definitely has the tell tale signs of a lot of usage though, but the clutch seems in pretty god shape. It has to have more then 4400 hours on it which is what the tach reads, but hard to believe it has 14,000 hours on it, without a clutch job or other major repairs. A banker sold it to me and said that a motorcycle shop took it on a trade, then didn't know what to do with it.
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