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DanWi 
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Posted: 11 Jan 2024 at 1:02pm |
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Looking at new vehicles, our car is 20 years old. Looking at small SUVs most of them have small motors with a little turbo. They say the best thing for them is to idle a minute before you turn them off. Some of them have the feature where they shut the motor off at a stoplight. Wouldn't it be better for the motor if that was deactivated or deleted if you want to get long life out of these motors. And also why wouldn't they add the feature where the motor would idle before turning off just like your lights stay on for a minute after you get out of the vehicle.
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 11 Jan 2024 at 1:30pm |
Dan you're asking for common sense ,NO such thing in the auto industry !!!!!!!! All turbos should be idled for awhile,so I've been told... The auto stop/start can be defeated, just google your 'make/model' info....
BTW ,since all new cars don't have physical keys, spend $20 and an hour to PREVENT your new ride from being driven away by thieves.
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Posted: 11 Jan 2024 at 5:04pm |
just a couple things to add Dan... Normally driving stop light to stop light, the turbo is not going to be that hot. Some turbos dont do anything until you get over 1500 RPM... another is that MOST of the cars/ trucks you can TURN THAT OFF... After startup, push a button and it is NON FUNCTIONAL..... I think that might help your starter motor also..
Im sure the car companies have looked into this and not a big deal.. but the ONLY do this to raise the CAFE Gas mileage numbers.. it does NOTHING to help the truck..
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Posted: 11 Jan 2024 at 5:33pm |
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Hay, I just heard HERTZ has a great deal on low mileage TESLAS ! They're selling off 20,000 of them..going back to GAS powered cars !!!
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Posted: 11 Jan 2024 at 6:04pm |
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We have a 2024 Equinox with a 1.5 liter turbo that my wife drives most of the time. This is the second one we have owned. Just traded in a 2019 on it which had the same engine. The '19 got good gas mileage and was trouble free, just traded to upgrade. The stop-start can be turned off but after a while you just kind of don't care and just let it do it's thing. I don't even notice it any more. I don't let it idle to cool down, just shut it off.
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Posted: 11 Jan 2024 at 7:03pm |
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We have a 2024 Equinox with a 1.5 liter turbo that my wife drives most of the time. This is the second one we have owned. Just traded in a 2019 on it which had the same engine. The '19 got good gas mileage and was trouble free, just traded to upgrade. The stop-start can be turned off but after a while you just kind of don't care and just let it do it's thing. I don't even notice it any more. I don't let it idle to cool down, just shut it off. |
You may not notice the start/stop feature when everything works as it should, however after a bunch of miles and a given number of years, at some point the light will turn green and nothing will happen when you step on the gas. Back when I was trucking as an OO I never had any starter trouble. Then I started hauling fuel, regulations required the truck to be shut off whenever loading or unloading (as I didn't have a pump truck). Every 6 months I needed to replace the contacts in the solenoid.
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Posted: 11 Jan 2024 at 7:31pm |
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The car the wife has now is a 2003 Pontiac 3.4 v6 with 155,000 miles. Just had head gaskets done this summer. Would like to get the next vehicle to last that many years and miles.
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Posted: 12 Jan 2024 at 1:01pm |
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JayB What would I be spending $20 and an hour on to prevent thieves?
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Posted: 12 Jan 2024 at 4:03pm |
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I guess they have the turbo thing perfected-they're everywhere on everything. You probably can't buy a domestic non-turbo small crossover. Ford makes the Escape and has for years and now, you guess it, they are being discontinued. Not sure if they are all eco/turbo now but there are a lot of them out there with a lot of miles. Maybe pre-owned with a good warranty is an option. Good Luck in your search.
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Posted: 12 Jan 2024 at 4:20pm |
OK, here's the 'dirty little secret' and I'll bet all my 'orange' that NO thief can drive away your ride. You add a switch or relay contact in series with the power feed to the fuelpump.
It's that SIMPLE. NO computer that ANY thief has can hack into it. yes, they get in, start the car, it'll run until gas is used up in the fuel rails..maybe 5 minutes. After that, it'll turn over but well no gas ,no free car.
I've seen wireless relays for less than $12 and you need some connecting wire to $20.
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Posted: 12 Jan 2024 at 10:08pm |
What percentage of new cars are turbocharged?By 2022, it's estimated that at least 50% of vehicles sold in the U.S. will have one or more turbochargers under the hood. Turbochargers are not a new technology. During the 1980s and 1990s, many automakers used turbochargers on gasoline engines for limited applications for performance. ------------------------- U.S. auto sales reached an estimated 15.5 million units in 2023, an 11.6% jump from 13.9 million vehicles sold in 2022, Cox said.Jan 4, 2024
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Posted: 13 Jan 2024 at 6:21am |
curious.... is a 100HP turbo charged engine truly better in fuel economy than a 100HP 'normal' EFI engine ?
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Posted: 13 Jan 2024 at 8:40am |
Jay... it takes maybe 70 HP to push a pickup truck down the road at 60 MPH... I have a F150 with a 200 cubic inch DUAL turbo charged V6.... At 60 MPH the engine is running 1400 RPM and gets 20 MPG ... probably putting out 100 HP.... Stomp on the throttle and the TURBOS kick in right after 1400 RPM and get to full power before 2000 RPM... Power goes straight up to 380 HP and the fuel meter drops to 5 MPG during that 10 seconds of time....
If that engine had NO TURBO and i continue to run at 60 MPH, probably no difference.. The DIFFERENCE is you stomp on the throttle with no turbo, and it would SLOWLY WALK up in ground speed... because you have NO HP as a backup.
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Posted: 13 Jan 2024 at 9:13am |
I always shut the automatic shut off off because in my opinion all it does is wears the starter out fast and what does it cost to replaced them starters?
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Posted: 14 Jan 2024 at 9:38am |
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My 15 Jeep Cherokee with 3.2 has the stop start feature and found if one has stopped at light , if you let off on brakes - then step on it again it bypasses the system .
Now after a year or so the system quit working and I get a warning stop start is not working and no problem with it operating on it's own - warning comes up after 15 or 20 minutes of driving .
Asked about the fix at dealer and they came up with some ridiculous price , evidently the system is tied into battery voltage / charging system to activate it . So a few times A warning message has come up, voltage low - stop start not available .
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Posted: 14 Jan 2024 at 9:44am |
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On the Jeep Cherokee - last year for the 3.2 was 2022 , now they offered only 4 cylinder engine for 2023 and also dropped the small Cherokee line completely in late 23/24 years.
My 15 has TOW package and rated at 4,000 capacity with the 3.2 , for 2023 the smaller 4 cylinder with a turbo says it will tow 4,000 , regular 4 cylinder with a few more cubes is rated at 1,500 towing
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Posted: 14 Jan 2024 at 7:04pm |
jaybmiller wrote:
curious.... is a 100HP turbo charged engine truly better in fuel economy than a 100HP 'normal' EFI engine ?
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