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Allis b "soft seizes" but not overheating? |
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Pengineer
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Topic: Allis b "soft seizes" but not overheating?Posted: 16 hours 57 minutes ago at 10:14pm |
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Brand new member, my 1st tractor, a 40s era model b with front end loader. I finally got the seized engine broken loose and running well but periodically it tries to seize up while running. It stalls the engine and sometimes is hard to turn over but after a few minutes starts and runs well again. I'm reading good oil pressure and cool engine temp. I've had the head off numerous times and tried to blow out all the oil and coolant passages.. Any ideas for me??
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SteveM C/IL
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Posted: 16 hours 26 minutes ago at 10:45pm |
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I would bet you have corrosion on outsides of piston that takes up wall clearance. You said it "was" stuck. Unstuck and clean are two different things. Pull the head again and knock the pistons out to ensure all is well. Bet you find your answer.
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john2189
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Posted: 14 hours 55 minutes ago at 12:16am |
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My B would do that, i cleaned the cooling system many times I found out that the thermostat was broken and blocking the passage.
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Phil48ACWC
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Posted: 9 hours 33 minutes ago at 5:38am |
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Remove the thermostat, put in water in a pot on your kitchen stove. Turn the burner on high and use a meat thermometer to note at what water temperature the thermostat starts to open. It should start to open at the rated temperature of the thermostat. If it opens substantially late, its junk. A good radiator and cooling system flush would also be a good idea.
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PaulB
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Posted: 8 hours 16 minutes ago at 6:55am |
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These engines commonly build up rust and scale around the rearmost sleeves and this blocks coolant flow. After years of no or poor quality anti freeze, sometime the only way to really clean this out is to remove ALL four sleeves.
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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
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Pengineer
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Posted: 6 hours 21 minutes ago at 8:50am |
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Wow. Thank you everybody, all this is most helpful. I guess I'm tearing into her again, hopefully for the last time! By the way, I've ordered a new thermostat but in the meantime I've been running with the old thermostat removed entirely and I'm surprised I can't see much of any movement of antifreeze in the neck of the radiator. But both upper and lower hoses get warm. The gage never gets over 120 degrees... so it makes sense the coolant is not flowing freely. Bill
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 6 hours 1 minutes ago at 9:10am |
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might be a good idea to look at the impeller on the water pump ??? NExt time you have the head off, stick an air nozzle / 1/4 inch rod, down the water ports around the cylinder sleeves and poke around, blow to stir things up... then flush.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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DrAllis
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Posted: 5 hours 36 minutes ago at 9:35am |
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I might try something like this: remove the carburetor or manifold to gain clear access to the block's coolant drain hole, which I think is 1/4" pipe thread (an actual 1/2" diameter hole). Remove the petcock from the block to get a large of hole as possible. Fabricate a 1/4" copper tube or a 1/4" steel brake line say about 6 inches long to fit into the hole in the side of the block. Bend the tube to go around the corner to try and aim towards the front and back of the block. Connect this tube to a pressure washer and start in, flooding the lower block area for a short time and let it empty itself. I don't think faucet water pressure would be adequate enough to bust up the rust, but maybe. When the color of the water becomes pretty clear, call it good.
Edited by DrAllis - 5 hours 33 minutes ago at 9:38am |
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