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klinemar
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Posted: 02 Mar 2011 at 8:51am |
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A friend of mine drove P-38's in Italy during WW2 and that is right they called themselves drivers instead of pilots because the P38 had a wheel instead of a stick.I have been always partial to the P38 because it was way ahead of its time.Yes it had some problems because the Air Force at the time was trying to get Fighter aircraft developed and into combat.The last model built the P38L had all the bugs worked out and was a superb fighter capable of 450mph. in level flight at 20,000ft.and it had dive breaks to solve the compressibility problems in dive because many of these aircraft including the P51 and P47 approached the speed of sound in a dive where their controls would quit and many pilots flew them into the ground.The P38 with its four .50cal. and one 20mm.cannon mounted in the nose gave devastating fire power and the pilot did not have to wait until his victim was at the point of aim as with the P51,P47.The P51 was easier to fly and cheaper to build than the P38 but it could not take battle damage like the P38 and P47 or the Corsair and Hellcat.Here is a tribute to Glacier Gal the P38 dug out of a Greenland Glacier.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4OthQ3td_E
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TexasAllis
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Posted: 02 Mar 2011 at 8:27am |
I remember these flying overhead out of Carswell AFB. A bomb could have gone off right beside me and the B-52 would still be louder.
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Dakota Dave
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Posted: 02 Mar 2011 at 8:11am |
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B-52H Nothing like 550 knots 500 agl in a half a million pound airplane. I was a flying crewchief on one for 15 years. any where in the world nonstop. the 36hr round the world flights did get old.
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TexasAllis
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Posted: 02 Mar 2011 at 8:06am |
The fuel was specially blended for the SR-71 it was JP7 and did not burn easily. The oil for the plane was solid at 80 degrees and the ground crew wore rain coats because the plane rained fuel. The spikes on front of the engines moved to control the air moving through the engine and the point had to be covered so the ground crew would not impale themselves. Edited by TexasAllis - 02 Mar 2011 at 8:07am |
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TexasAllis
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Posted: 02 Mar 2011 at 7:43am |
A plane way ahead of it's time. For pure speed it's still king of the hill.
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Lonn
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Posted: 02 Mar 2011 at 7:07am |
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I do like the Corsair and I forgot about the F6F Hellcat which is another of my favorites and I think I'd rank it as maybe the best fighter in WWII. These look like land based aircraft that the Marines would have but most were carrier based. There are just so many good war birds in that era that I just can't pick one.
![]() Here are a couple P61s. Not well known cause they came fairly late. ![]() To me the best US fighters were the P51 Mustang, P38 Lightening, P61 Black Widow, F6F Hellcat, F4U Corsair, and the P47 Thunderbolt and not necessarily in that order. Then there were the not quite as good but did the job F4F Wildcat, P40 Warhawk, P41, SBD5 or A24 Dauntless, P43, P39 and so on.
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JohnCO
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Posted: 02 Mar 2011 at 1:04am |
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Speaking of the fuel leaks on an SR71, a friend was in the Air Force back in the late 60's and worked in intelligence. One of his jobs was to unload the film out of the plane after a mission. He tells of going out to a plane and a guy is welding something on the underside of the plane with a torch of some sort. Fuel is dripping out of various spots into buckets. He asks the guy if he isn't concerned about blowing everything up. Guy says "Nah, this s**t doesn't burn easily." He then stuck the torch into one of the buckets of leaked fuel and it just hisses like water. Another friend flew one once, usually flew F16's but got the chance to fly a SR71. From the description of what was done to his body before he got into the plane, something similar to getting a colonostrephy (sp) I don't think I would want that opportunity.
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clovis
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Posted: 01 Mar 2011 at 11:27pm |
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Dream airplanes? You'll need to be more specific, LOL. Mine are US WWII war birds:
Single engine fighter: P-51, with a close second being the gull winged Corsair. Two engine fighter: P-38 Two engine bomber: B-25 Four engine bomber: B-17 If we are talking German war birds: Jet: Me 262 Prop driven: Bf 109 I could go on for hours, and hours and hours about this subject!!!
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JC-WI
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Posted: 01 Mar 2011 at 10:29pm |
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Here is one three boys thought would be cool to fly in real life when they grew up, the tri-motor airplane. They built this model so that rubber bands would turn all three props from the wheels. circa 1927
but alas two had died before they were twenty and the third stayed home and farmed and passed away in 1995.
I always thought the P51 would have been fun to own and fly but they weren't cheap.
Anyone ever see the documentary of finding an old war bird up on the ice and they brought in 4 new engines and put them on and bulldozed a runway for it and as they were taxing around , the generator in the back fell over and the plane caught on fire and burnt to the ground? What a shame... It was nearly perfect inside yet from what I remember them saying. Edited by JC(WI) - 01 Mar 2011 at 10:37pm |
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frankmi
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Posted: 01 Mar 2011 at 9:29pm |
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I have my pilot license also. Have Cessna Skyhawk and J-3 Kitten ultralight. Never cared to get instrument rating, it's no fun flying if the weather is that bad. Frank/Mi.
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BrettPhillips
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Posted: 01 Mar 2011 at 9:16pm |
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I've got a Private ticket that has been gathering dust since college, but I am planning on dusting it off this spring so I can play with our (Me & Dad's) toy. It's a Pietenpol Air Camper that is now disassembled for repairs due to a previous owner's mishap, but Dad and I should be getting it back together this summer if work and hobby farming permit. I'm working on losing some weight so I can fly it, gotta get down to 200 or so to keep the weight and balance right. 20 lbs down, 20 to go...
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Gerald J.
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Posted: 01 Mar 2011 at 9:12pm |
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There are blackbirds on display around the country. In Nebraska at the museum near Ashland that used to be at Offut, in Kansas at the Cosmosphere at Hutchinson, and in Seatle at the Museum of Flight. Those I've visited. There are more.
The skin didn't shrink in flight, it expanded and sealed up the fuel leaks. About the only volume that didn't have fuel were the cockpits, and the air passages to the engines. The engines grew 3/4" in diameter when up to white hot operating temperature. I don't recall how much the aircraft grew but it had to be serious because I know the Chinese steam loco at the Boone and Scenic valley the boiler grows about 3/4" when up to temperature and pressure and its shorter than a Blackbird and running at only 395 degrees, not 900 degrees. It took a hour on the ground to cool off enough that ground crews could approach so I guess the crew had to sit that long to get out. There are good aircraft museums at Tillimook and McMinnville OR that I hope to visit in a couple months and smaller museums at Vancouver WA, Hillsboro OR (with a couple MIGs) and at Hood River, OR. There is a good museum at the SE corner of Topeka KS on Forbes Field of WW2 and more recent equipment that mostly looks ready to fly and by the placards, much was flown there on their own or on a hook under a skycrane. And there's a sky crane dripping oil in a hangar. Every engine has a drip pan under it with an accumulation of oil. Then there's the National Air and Space museum in Virginia that I've not seen and the other one at Wright-Patterson in Ohio. This year I'm traveling west, maybe next year. Gerald J. |
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Byron WC in SW Wi
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Posted: 01 Mar 2011 at 9:07pm |
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Yeah, I like the F4U and the lightening too. SR-71 is just plane amazing and WAY ahead of it's time. I bet it'd be fairly mundane to fly though as it was mostly just straight high and fast. But, the views had to be amazing and watching your air speed indicator would be cool.
I'm not current but have my SEL license. I need to get current and my wife and I talked about it today. We got a little nephew we want to go see. |
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wbecker
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Posted: 01 Mar 2011 at 8:09pm |
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I have my Decathlon, my wife has a Cessna 152 with an O320 engine.
Here is mine.
By the way LouSWPA, a P51 now sells for $750,000 and up over $1 M.
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captaindana
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Posted: 01 Mar 2011 at 7:45pm |
Aw c'mon guys I've been flying today since 6 am and gotta get some rest lol!! "I've never met a plane I didn't like!" I believe my friend from Down Under made the above pic a few years back. Dana |
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paulkil
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Posted: 01 Mar 2011 at 7:41pm |
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I still have my pilot license, issued in 1946, private only, never had need for any other.
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BLee Mn
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Posted: 01 Mar 2011 at 7:40pm |
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notice the fuel leaking on the SR-71, leaks fuel tell it gets up to speed then skin shrinks and seals fuel tanks. I got up close and personal with one this winter at Tuscon Air Museum. Awesome Airplane, took a tour through the boneyard also. Ever get a chance to go to PIMA air Museum you have to do it
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JimD
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Posted: 01 Mar 2011 at 7:34pm |
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DC-3/C47
I guess just knowing it's history is the thing for me.
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Posted: 01 Mar 2011 at 7:26pm |
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The p-51 is hard to beat. From what I have read, fighter pilots welcomed her with open arms. BUT, since I was 7 yrs old I loved the Corsair, and built a plastic model of it. Also saw it fly close up at Oshkosh. The gull wing purpose is to keep the prop from hitting pavement. Wheel struts could be kept short enough to still retract. Awesome warbirds,all of them.
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Eric[IL]
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Posted: 01 Mar 2011 at 7:23pm |
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Great photos & shared info... I look for every plane that ever flys over. The radial engines sure have a mysterious drone to them. It think their all cool. Growing up on a farm, I always thought I would grow up to be a crop duster. If there was one in the area, I was watching. I would stop cutting hay, shut down the tractor, watch & listen to those birds pullin up and diving into crops. When I was about 14, I took a ride in a cessna 180 at the local airport. Frankly I could not stomach it. Can you say dramamine... Thats me.
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Skyhighballoon(MO)
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Posted: 01 Mar 2011 at 6:54pm |
![]() Of course it'd have to be an F4U Corsair. But I love the first pic here as well...the P51D.....and add B17G's and P47N to my list of favorites. Mike |
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Posted: 01 Mar 2011 at 6:45pm |
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I had thought about that one. Must be nice to burn less fuel the faster you go!
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Posted: 01 Mar 2011 at 6:43pm |
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Oh, I just remembered one. I want to change my vote..SR71
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Posted: 01 Mar 2011 at 6:17pm |
I thought they only retrieved the one now known as Glacier Girl. That's the first one I'd seen at Oshkosh in a long time. |
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Favorite Warbirds: Tie between the P40-E Warhawk and the F4U Corsair
Favorite GA Plane: Twin Beach Since I can't afford the fuel burn for any of those, I fly a Cessna Cardinal RG. I'm rated single engine land and instrument. |
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here's a picture of an SBD Dauntless i took today on the carrier Yorktown in Charleston, on my way home from the goto. there's a corsair behind it, but i don't have a picture. so all you guys who like the warbirds, make plans now to come to world war 2 week-end in reading, pa., the first week-end in june. you'll see a lot of planes, including b24,b17, b25, b29, mustang, corsair, and many others. check it out on maam.org.
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I guess I'm an oddity. For the old planes, I'm a B-17 guy. For modern, F-15's my choice. Just for the heck of it. A U-2. That would be pretty cool to be up that high in the atmosphere. Either that or a C-17.
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Posted: 01 Mar 2011 at 5:55pm |
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they said if you want to come back from a mission , fly a P47, if you want to get the girls, fly a P51. Wonder if they ever got all the "Ghost Squadron" 38s lifted out of the ice in the artic?
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JW in MO
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No real reason but I wanted one like this one, Aerospatiale Tobago. Not much more than a Cessna 172, just looks sleaker. I have my sinlge engine land, seems so long ago, took one cross country in a Cesna 150, felt like I could have walked there faster.
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