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Who made the 8000 series transmission?

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    Posted: 27 Sep 2023 at 1:06am
We are trying to fix the shifting problems on the range/parking lock mechanism of our 8050 w/powershift.  When I was looking up some parts I noticed that Steiger Cougars used similar parts with the same part #s.  Just wondering if they got those parts from Agco or was there a different company that produced that part of the powershift transmission?  We've lubed everything and made sure there wasn't any crud under the shift lever boot, etc, the cables move freely when they are unhooked, but it's still hard to shift compared to another tractor we have.  I think we'll have to pull the shift/park lock unit out, but we don't have the time to remove the fuel tank to do that now.
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Pay attention. Until you replace the shifting cables to the park/low/high transmission (range transmission), you are spinning your wheels. How easily those cables move when they are not "loaded" is no comparison to when they are under a load. Get new ones from AGCO and then see how things work. Secondly: The range trans comes out of LOW much more difficult than HIGH range. That's just the way it is, due to the mechanical advantage between the two gear ratios. I only use low for field work. High for everything else. Thirdly: one has to be a sort of truck driver to shift these PST range trannys, especially when the oil is cold, and under 150 degrees. The cold oil running thru the PST clutch plates and discs create a viscous drag, not allowing things to fully release when they should be. That's the nature of an oil cooled clutch and there are six of them. You cannot shove the clutch pedal down to the floor on any kind of a hill and hold it there and then expect to get the range transmission out of gear and into PARK !!! You must learn to pop the lever into neutral just BEFORE the tractor comes to a complete halt, while the torque on the transmission is low and to get the shifting collar to release. Pretty simple, but some people can't figure it out. Having the engines RPM slowed down to an idle helps too. The next time you can't get it out of gear (low range being the worst), instead of breaking off the shift lever, shut the engine off while still holding the brakes !! Come right out of gear ?? I'll bet it did. It's all in cold oil, viscous drag, old outdated shift cables and shifting TECHNIQUE.  Quickly shifting the trans into reverse and letting up on the inching pedal slightly does the same thing !!  Forty years ago, I had many driving lessons for new owners so they understood how to make a Power Shift tractor their friend, not a burden to operate. I'm not saying you may not have worn internal shift cover parts wear after 40 years of use. What I am saying is, I think there are things you don't know about the transmission set up and are going about it all wrong. Lastly, an improperly adjusted transmission brake/inching pedal can cause shifting problems too. This adjustment is in your owners manual.     Allis-Chalmers built every Power Director and Power Shift transmission in Milwaukee. They SOLD Steiger the complete driveline to that one model tractor, tranny and axles and drop box. They needed a row-crop tractor to adjust wheel tread and this is how they did it....bought the whole driveline from A-C.

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That's some good information there. I also concur on the cables. While not an 8xxxx, I have replaced cables on 7xxxs and it makes a world of difference
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The Allis powershift was not related to a Stieger. The Steiger power shift is very Asian and NLA.
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Doc nailed it!
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AC only sold the 4w305 and 4w220 to Steiger - as a basic power train sans engine - they supplied the rest.   AND at times we checked CIH and found some power train parts much cheaper than AC - then they scrapped them all best we can tell. 
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OK, thanks guys, gives us a few more things to check when we get more time to work on it.  We did notice the range lever shifted easier when we shut the engine off.  We didn't know if that was normal or a sign of other issues.
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Anyone know how many AC/Steigers were sold? I've never seen one that I know of.
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Originally posted by SLee(IA) SLee(IA) wrote:

Anyone know how many AC/Steigers were sold? I've never seen one that I know of.
Steve

I have no idea how many, but I would guess that it's not a lot of them. The way to identify one, is that it'll have round, solid bar axles.
All other steiger tractors have a planetary assembly with a ring bolt pattern for wheel mounting. I've seen a couple myself, and maybe half dozen on online auctions.
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All cougars 1225 and 1280, 1985 model year only
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At the time, many of us dealers were in hopes this would help save Allis-Chalmers Farm Equipment division from being sold. Not to be.
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I remember going to a show and seeing the Steiger and walking past, then doing a double take - "what the "  then made a phone call and got the 'low down' - yes AC was desperate to increase unit production - running the plant and putting out product was what paid the bills.  Low unit production was one of many straws on the AC Camel's back in the 80's. 
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Interesting. There is a 1225 and a 1280 listed on Tractorhouse now. The 1225 has bar axles but the 1280 does not however the pictures of the shifters in both tractors is the same shifters used in the AC 8000's. Both are decent looking tractors.
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Didn’t Allis sell axles or even the whole differential and axle assembly to Steiger for a short stint?   Steiger ran the cussed external planetary system.   Buying from Allis gave them more of a row crop articulated tractor like the 7580 was.   Having owned both a 7580 and a Steiger buying from Allis was smart move …………the 7580 was more refined.  
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interesting topic. I knew some power director transmissions were used in some steigers so they could have pto, and a 2 speed shift on the go, but sounds like this is discussing a complete drivetrain from AC? 
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Another interesting fact is that along with owning the AC tractor ag division during the last half of 85, Deutz also owned 30 of steiger.
Had tenneco not swooped in and bought all of the shares who knows what may have transpired.
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Have looked at a few of those Steiger CR (Cat) and KR(Cummins) powered AC tractors.   If one comes up in my price range it will be living here.
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