Wd45 stalls out under stress

I can't figure out if the issue is fuel or electrical I cleaned the entire fuel system and the points got it to run great in neutral. Any ideas

Check ignition timing advance weights and spring under the points plate and then check the governor weights. You can also open up the main or load jet by one turn and see if that helps also.

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Mountain Goat... that's undoubtedly one of the shortest problem descriptions you could describe. Troubleshooting a problem with a RUNNING engine is best if one makes more observations known, and also identifies what was attempted.

One of the very first things that will stall an engine, is applying too much load. Another, is applying a load before the engine is warm enough to run. Having improper mixture, plugged up air filtration, plugged exhaust, leaky intake or exhaust manifold, poor fuel, improper fuel level or plugged carbeurator, weak battery, bad coil, stuck spark advance mechanism... worn carb throttle shaft, governor linkage problem, sticky valves, hydraulic pump unloader mechanism failure... Here's a really simple one: Water in the gearbox, and ambient temperature below 32F... frozen gears... just like stuck brakes...

Can you tell us more about what youv'e done, mebbie a bit more example of how much stress is required for it to stall... what does it sound like, what color is the spark plug insulator once it stalls?

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Sorry my first time I made several attempts to get that post up ok it runs great in neutral idling and high Rev but when I go up a hill or try to get a load of gravel in the bucket it starts to misfire and pop but keeps going I've cleaned the entire fuel system except the tube in carb couldn't get it out but used carb cleaner and air gastank had rust so took it off cleaned it cleaned points and retimed it 2 turns out on carb runs best brakes good air cleaner good

I might suggest taking the hose from the air cleaner to the carb off and try it. Maybe the air cleaner is plugged? Or put your hand over the top of the air cleaner pip when running and see if that makes any difference.
Regards,
Chris

D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.

Worked on the wd45 yesterday checked the plugs n wires took the air cleaner off n it ran the same it runs good until I go up the hill and it starts surging runs good for 3 seconds then misfires for 3 seconds then good then misfire I'm starting to think it's a governor problem. If I hold the rod coming off the carb it revs up n runs smoothly and it tries to push the rod back. If I move the hand throttle lever I can move it about 1 inch before it moves anything else. I've seen posts on this did anyone ever figure it out

My d 14 had a similar problem . Going up hills on the road it would start missing and cutting off.It had not been run much in several years. Cleaned carb and it cleared up.The tude in the carb needs to be cleaned also .

I agree with replacing the spark plugs. Mine did the same thing going up a hill. I did everything suggested and nothing changed. I finally replaced the plugs with new ones. Problem gone. Don't clean them-replace them. Good luck!

Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK!

Bad condenser maybe?

'49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2

could also try running it at night that way ya can see if there is any spark arcing, like a hairline crack in the distributor cap or bad wire, etc.

Just cause it's orange don't make it a tractor, there's only one..Allis Chalmers

How much fuel is in tank might not be enough to push fuel to carb if going up a hill try putting more gas in it and cleaning the carb since it sat for awhile plugs are also a good idea autolite 295 work good for me avoid champion plugs good luck getting it up and running good

i would change the plugs ,,,,and wires,,,,and the coil wire

if you had 2 plugs fouled they are not firing under load,,,,change them all

my .02

ocharry

Champion plugs just don't work good in an AC 201 or 226 engine. Like was said before, buy yourself a set of Autolite plugs. It will make a world of difference!

Champion tractor plugs are junk and won't clean properly no matter what you do to them. Get rid of them.

Gerald J.

If the plugs are wet coming out they're not firing correctly. Most folks just don't have any luck with Champion plugs (including me) Some folks don't have any problems with the Champions. Put a set of Autolite 295's in them and then see how it runs. That's probably the issue, cause' if the Chimpanzes are fouled, its getting fuel. Take them out the throw em' in the round file. I never try to clean spark plugs unless they are new and got fouled because of a flooding issue or setting up an engine or somethin'. Older used plugs, in the trash.... Thumbs Up

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Mountain goat Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 27 Mar 2017 Location: Wisconsin Points: 28	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mountain goat Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Wd45 stalls out under stress Posted: 28 Mar 2017 at 5:39am
	I can't figure out if the issue is fuel or electrical I cleaned the entire fuel system and the points got it to run great in neutral. Any ideas

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omahagreg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Omaha, Nebraska Points: 2806	Post Options Post Reply Quote omahagreg Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 Mar 2017 at 6:21am
	Rust in the tank? My WD would run after setting-maybe 5 minutes, then die. Wait a while, it would repeat! Found out rust chunks were mostly blocking the inlet inside the tank. Edited by omahagreg - 28 Mar 2017 at 6:22am
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	Check ignition timing advance weights and spring under the points plate and then check the governor weights. You can also open up the main or load jet by one turn and see if that helps also.
	1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson

dt1050 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 05 Jul 2011 Location: central pa Points: 1078	Post Options Post Reply Quote dt1050 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 Mar 2017 at 7:11am
	is your tractor stuck between 2 gears?
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	Mountain Goat... that's undoubtedly one of the shortest problem descriptions you could describe. Troubleshooting a problem with a RUNNING engine is best if one makes more observations known, and also identifies what was attempted. One of the very first things that will stall an engine, is applying too much load. Another, is applying a load before the engine is warm enough to run. Having improper mixture, plugged up air filtration, plugged exhaust, leaky intake or exhaust manifold, poor fuel, improper fuel level or plugged carbeurator, weak battery, bad coil, stuck spark advance mechanism... worn carb throttle shaft, governor linkage problem, sticky valves, hydraulic pump unloader mechanism failure... Here's a really simple one: Water in the gearbox, and ambient temperature below 32F... frozen gears... just like stuck brakes... Can you tell us more about what youv'e done, mebbie a bit more example of how much stress is required for it to stall... what does it sound like, what color is the spark plug insulator once it stalls?
	Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest.

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	Brakes rusted in the ON position? Like Dave says, we need more info. Where in WI are you located? There's all kinds of help all over the state.....
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Mountain goat Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 27 Mar 2017 Location: Wisconsin Points: 28	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mountain goat Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 Mar 2017 at 5:55pm
	Sorry my first time I made several attempts to get that post up ok it runs great in neutral idling and high Rev but when I go up a hill or try to get a load of gravel in the bucket it starts to misfire and pop but keeps going I've cleaned the entire fuel system except the tube in carb couldn't get it out but used carb cleaner and air gastank had rust so took it off cleaned it cleaned points and retimed it 2 turns out on carb runs best brakes good air cleaner good

Mountain goat Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 27 Mar 2017 Location: Wisconsin Points: 28	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mountain goat Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 Mar 2017 at 6:54pm
	The tractor sat outside for a year or so untouched before I got it.at first it would only run a few seconds because rust was plugging the inlet in the tank so I cleaned it then it would run but it miss fired alot then I cleaned line n card then started both jets air and gas 1.5 turns it started warmed up I moved the thottle n it died so I turned fuel out to 1.75 stared ran ok also noticed that the the idle screw was all the way in. Anyway it ran better still to much missing so then I moved the distributor until it leveled out with barely any missing and the idle speed went up then put it on high Rev and it missed slightly so I left it on high Rev and adjusted the fuel until it ran smooth now it runs great until I go up hill or scoop with it the brakes don't stick although I have driven with them locked 1 time the shift works great no slipping out

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	I might suggest taking the hose from the air cleaner to the carb off and try it. Maybe the air cleaner is plugged? Or put your hand over the top of the air cleaner pip when running and see if that makes any difference. Regards, Chris
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Mountain goat Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 27 Mar 2017 Location: Wisconsin Points: 28	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mountain goat Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 Mar 2017 at 7:43pm
	Thanks for the advice guys I'll try to narrow it down next time I go to the tractor

Mountain goat Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 27 Mar 2017 Location: Wisconsin Points: 28	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mountain goat Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 31 Mar 2017 at 7:50pm
	Worked on the wd45 yesterday checked the plugs n wires took the air cleaner off n it ran the same it runs good until I go up the hill and it starts surging runs good for 3 seconds then misfires for 3 seconds then good then misfire I'm starting to think it's a governor problem. If I hold the rod coming off the carb it revs up n runs smoothly and it tries to push the rod back. If I move the hand throttle lever I can move it about 1 inch before it moves anything else. I've seen posts on this did anyone ever figure it out

GregStremel Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 06 Aug 2013 Points: 81	Post Options Post Reply Quote GregStremel Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 31 Mar 2017 at 8:10pm
	Try brand new spark plugs? We used to have a problem like this. The Champion pugs looked good. We put new Autolite plugs in and problem solved.

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	My d 14 had a similar problem . Going up hills on the road it would start missing and cutting off.It had not been run much in several years. Cleaned carb and it cleared up.The tude in the carb needs to be cleaned also .

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	is it a magneto or coil? if it's a coil maybe it's starting to go. generally it takes a bit to get the coil hot and it just shuts off and won't start till it's cooled down. but I've found parts generally fail in there own way, just to mess with us...lol
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	I agree with replacing the spark plugs. Mine did the same thing going up a hill. I did everything suggested and nothing changed. I finally replaced the plugs with new ones. Problem gone. Don't clean them-replace them. Good luck!
	Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK!

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	The plugs potentially could be the problem and all 4 at once makes it a little less logical but strange things happen. Sounds more to me like the fuel mixture is getting lean. At high idle with no load the throttle plate is just barely open more than at low idle and this means most of the fuel is being supplied through the idle jet. When the load goes up the throttle plate opens more thanks to the governor trying to maintain RPMs. The opening of the throttle plate means more air and more air needs more fuel. The gas for this increased amount of air is supplied by the main metering jet. I suspect this needed fuel is not being supplied for some reason. I think for sure it is not making it to the combustion chamber at the right time and in the right amounts to make the power to keep it running. I'd open the main jet about a half a turn. I have seen times If it has an idle mixture jet that is open too far you have to run the main jet closed up a bit to get it to idle at low speed. Those old carbs just kind of "spill" the gas into the air stream. They can do a great job but they need to be clean enough spill the right amount and todays gasoline can clean junk out of passages and drop it into other passages.

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	Bad condenser maybe?
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	Coil
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dt1050 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 05 Jul 2011 Location: central pa Points: 1078	Post Options Post Reply Quote dt1050 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 Apr 2017 at 3:53am
	could also try running it at night that way ya can see if there is any spark arcing, like a hairline crack in the distributor cap or bad wire, etc.
	Just cause it's orange don't make it a tractor, there's only one..Allis Chalmers

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	It has a coil.I cleaned the carb again I'm pretty sure it is not a fuel problem or governor.I took the plugs out and cleaned them.their champion 1 and 3 were flooded I put them back in it idled great went up the hill good at first then started it's stuff again the farther I went the worse it got I think it is electric problem

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	How much fuel is in tank might not be enough to push fuel to carb if going up a hill try putting more gas in it and cleaning the carb since it sat for awhile plugs are also a good idea autolite 295 work good for me avoid champion plugs good luck getting it up and running good

mdm1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Onalaska, WI Points: 2677	Post Options Post Reply Quote mdm1 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 Apr 2017 at 9:16am
	Replace the plugs! Don't clean them. I believe I put Autolite 295 plugs in mine. It's a cheap try and new plugs never hurt..
	Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK!

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	i would change the plugs ,,,,and wires,,,,and the coil wire if you had 2 plugs fouled they are not firing under load,,,,change them all my .02 ocharry

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	I think I would try new points and cond. find ecklin or standard points and cond. There are a lot of cheap brands out there and they are junk.
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	Champion plugs just don't work good in an AC 201 or 226 engine. Like was said before, buy yourself a set of Autolite plugs. It will make a world of difference!

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	I had a very similar problem with a D15. It would get worse as it ran. It Was The COIL!
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Gerald J. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton Co, IA Points: 5636	Post Options Post Reply Quote Gerald J. Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 Apr 2017 at 8:10pm
	Champion tractor plugs are junk and won't clean properly no matter what you do to them. Get rid of them. Gerald J.

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	I stall out under stress too!

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	If the plugs are wet coming out they're not firing correctly. Most folks just don't have any luck with Champion plugs (including me) Some folks don't have any problems with the Champions. Put a set of Autolite 295's in them and then see how it runs. That's probably the issue, cause' if the Chimpanzes are fouled, its getting fuel. Take them out the throw em' in the round file. I never try to clean spark plugs unless they are new and got fouled because of a flooding issue or setting up an engine or somethin'. Older used plugs, in the trash....
	39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife

Gerald J. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton Co, IA Points: 5636	Post Options Post Reply Quote Gerald J. Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 Apr 2017 at 9:50am
	Lots of Champion tractor plugs have an internal series gap to cause the coil to generate a higher voltage because Champion presumes ALL vintage engines are oil burners. That's one problem and the other one it appears that the ceramic is porous so that carbon soaks in and standard cleaning like running normally or with a surface abrasive powder doesn't clean them. Good reasons to avoid Champion tractor spark plugs. Gerald J.