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    Posted: 31 Mar 2016 at 7:28pm
What size tires do you think look best on unstyled WC 24 " round spoke rims?
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Old size would have been 1125.24 new from original and CORRECT size now  would be 14.9x24 (13x24)
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So does that mean either 14.9X24 OR 13X24 are correct? I've seen both in the conversion chart as well. Actually I thought it was 13.6X24?
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"Correct" aint going to happen with new tires due to changes in rim requirements. What looks best depends on what rims you have and what tires you have available.  Facts are today's tires cannot duplicate the original look on the original rims due to changes in required rim widths. If you are going to use new tires A 14.9-24  is close to the correct size casing for the tractor but on an original round spoke rim they look dorky (in my opinionWink) because the sides are sucked in and the center of the tire bulges out.  A 12.4 tire fits the rim well but also looks (extremelyWink) dorky because the tire is way too small for the tractor.  In my opinion A 13.6-24 tire is the best compromise on original width round spoke rims.  If your tractor is on cut down steel like a lot of them and you want the best look them get some 14.9-24s and weld on the correct rims for the tire, 14" as I remember?  Your other choice here is to try and locate a set of the old "balloon" type tires that are the right size and in good enough shape to remount,, good luck with that. 

Our 38 on 14.9-24 Firestone F&Rs  on cut down steel. I think the look is alright but Id much rather have a bit too big than even a little bit too small when it comes to rear tires.



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14.9's all the way Big smile Mine were take offs from the steer wheels on a combine. way cheaper than new as it just cost me gas to drive 30 miles to pick them up.
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I had 14.9 X 24's on mine and thot they looked good.
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The way they number the tires changed over the years. The old 11.25 x 24 was changed to 13 x 24. Same tire, just measured in a different spot. Then in the late 50's or whenever, the 13 x 24 became the 14.9 x 24. Same tire as the 11.25 x24 and 13 x 24. The older tires used to say both designations on the same tire because they are the same tire. Tires didn't change, the number did. That all said, actually there was a minor change to the bead area in the late 30's so now the old rims for 11.25 x 24 won't quite fit right to the newer tires but they'll work.


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Just like a D17 came with 13 x 28 tires or 14 x 28 after a year or so. Those are the same tire as a 14.9 x 28 and 16.9 x 28 respectively.
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There is at least 3 series of numbers and rim requirements,maybe more and more differences than where they were measured. Ted Buisker could give all the specs because he worked in the industry, I dont have it committed to memory.  The biggest and most important change came long before the D series and current tire designations when the tire manufacturers went to wide base rims. After the change to wide base rims the numbering system changed to what we use today but the fit is good. This would include everything from a WD-45 on up. This is not the case for the very oldest rubber tired units such as the WC where the old balloon type tires were designed to mount on 8 or 10 inch wide rims,, and also why this question never comes up for a tractor made after 1940 or thereabouts.


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Here is a chart I borrowed from M.E.Miller Tire website that explains the tire size and rim deal. As you can see the tire that is closest to the same as the original 11.25 is now a 14.9 but it requires a 5" wider rim.




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Thanks for the ideas, I think the 14.9 looks a little fat for the rim but it's probably going to be easier to find in a used than a 13.6
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i have 14.9x24 (13x24) B F G on my 37 unstyled with spoke wheels and they look good on the rims and fill the fender gap in my opinion,I have worked in tyres for 32 years i think 12.4x24 (11x24) are to small and leave a large fender gap and also slows the tractor down 13.6x24 (12x24) are a little better but still dont fill the fender gap,But that is just my opinion it is your tractor fit what you are happy with but you wont go far wrong with the 14.9x24 (13x24) tyre.
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O.K., so what size tire should I put on the original 8" wide rim to be as close to original as possible?

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14.9's IMO
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If it was mine 14.9x24
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My dads 38 WC we put 16.9-24s on it but I widened the rims to 15 in those tires look nice on it with a nice flat face. The rims AC used with that wide outer lip are a bugger to put tires on.
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Originally posted by littlemarv littlemarv wrote:

O.K., so what size tire should I put on the original 8" wide rim to be as close to original as possible?


The way I understand this is, the 14.9 is basically the same tire as the 11.25 but put on a wider rim and measured different. The original 8 rims work fine with a 14.9 tire, just may be a bit more round top on an 8 inch rim than on the later 13 inch rim.
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Can someone tell me if a 12.4x24 tire will fit on a 8 inch rim and how will they look on a WC or WF??? Thank you
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It will fit but looks anemic in my opinion.  Original tires were 11.25-24 or 13-24 which is now a 14.9-24.  That size may have been an option? But a 13.6-24 almost looks too small to me.
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I put new 14.9-24 irrigation tires on mine for less than $200 each. Can't buy pickup tires that cheap.
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I'm not sure if this picture attached properly but that ME Miller chart is exactly right.  I've been studying F&H wheels, rims, and early tires for several years now and have quite a bit of information on when and why the sizes changed.  Goodyear was the first company to figure out around '38-'39 that it was better to have a wider rim that allowed the sidewall of the tire to be straight rather than rounded.  The original tires from '32 to '39 were called balloon tires and they bulged out wider than the rim.  The widest rim in the early days was 8".  To go along with these wider rims after '39 the tire companies also redesigned their tire to have a straight sidewall and a thicker tread section.  All of these rims and tires were then called "wide base" and the old ballon tires and drop center rims were referred to as "conventional".

This was the biggest change in the tire numbering system.  So the 11.25 tire was really discontinued at a certain point and the 13-24 "wide base" tire was sold to replace.  The tire itself was changed.  The later change to the decimal system just better reflected the actual size of the tire width.  So 13-24 became 14.9-24.  Same tire, just a different label.  But neither of these were exactly like the early balloon tires.  Most tires changed during the 40's and later would be of this new wide base type so technically the 14.9 is correct.  Some people do prefer the 13.6 though.  Hope this helps.
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Here is the difference between what I think I remember their sizes being. The small ones of different sizes is what was on it when I bought it.
11.2x24


12.4 on this side:


The ones on it now are slightly used 13.6x24.  14.9x24 would look even better and fill the fender the best.



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