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VW has gotten Complicated!!

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    Posted: 14 Feb 2025 at 6:26am
Retiree from the Nuke and ex co-worker bought a VW Toureg Hybrid used two years ago, was a Demonstrator and got what he thought a Great Deal, Starter died so had it hauled to VW, NOT Under Warranty BTW.  Spent $6700 to replace the 'Starter Mechanism'.  Requires the removal of the Engine/Transmission and connection equipment to the Hybrid Motor drive as the Starter/Generator system is installed as a Clutch and Trans unit behind the engine not on a side.

Needless to say was LIVID as to that cost.  Wrote VW USA and got a semi-OK response where issued a repair credit for 1/3 the cost, still he has decided to stop being stupid where is currently trading that in on a Conventional Toureg.


Edited by DMiller - 14 Feb 2025 at 6:28am
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Pretty sure 'engineers' are told by the 'bean counters' to make  it that way !
If I was to buy almost ANYTHING 'complicated', I'd scour the internet for a WEEK to see 'what's wrong with and  what does it cost' responses....

Retiree should write VW Germany and get another 1/3rd back !!!

from a C&D article...
With a 14.3-kWh battery, the Touareg PHEV has an EV range of 31 miles on the Euro WLTP cycle—that would translate to about 26 miles using EPA methodology. That's decent, but not great. The electric propulsion is seamlessly integrated,

wow get maybe 26 miles from the battery !! That's rediculous ! I couldn't go to the other side of town and back on the battery ??? !!!!!
or did I google the wrong car ?




Edited by jaybmiller - 14 Feb 2025 at 6:37am
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Tell me again why everyone else has been conned into having the "latest and greatest" of the newer vehicles.
  I can lift the hood on any vehicle I own and look right at the starter and replacing any of them would take less than an hour. 
  I can imagine someone in one of the new crapcars that shuts of at a red light, getting a big surprise when it doesn't re-start when the light turns green and their car just sits there. Newer is only better for the car companies.   
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Originally posted by PaulB PaulB wrote:

  I can imagine someone in one of the new crapcars that shuts of at a red light, getting a big surprise when it doesn't re-start when the light turns green and their car just sits there.  

I did not know such a thing existed until a few weeks ago.

I was at a family get-together over Christmas and the whole bunch of them (except me) were complaining as to how their new vehicles would shut themselves off whenever they came to a temporary stop, such as at a light or intersection.


I mean, it wasn't just one of them warning the others off from such; like sheep jumping off a cliff, they all just couldn't wait to run out and buy one.

Then, myself and my cousin had to make a trip to see a dead man in the hospital a hundred or so miles away and we took his brand-new shiny Chevrolet pickup.

That thing like to have made me a nervous wreck = the engine would shut off every time we came to a stop --- EVERY TIME ---

My many many years of driving experience has been that, once that engine fires and is running, you DON'T shut it off until you get back home.


They all make fun of me while I refuse to play along; my newest vehicle is a 1991 Dodge/Cummins and the one I drive every day is a 1985 F-350; I renewed the plate on the F-350 the other day and the property tax was 0.85 - 85-cents --- and I would not hesitate to take it coast to coast with a big load of cattle.


Another thing that gets me about people's lack of good mathematical sense; they will get a job in town 30- or 40-miles away; and, the first thing they will do is run out and buy some little crap car to save on gas, thus completely negating any advantage the new job was going to provide and now they have to drive some little death-trap back and forth every day, instead of the half-way decent pickup truck that they already had bought-and-long-paid-for.

When something happens to the little death-trap car, they can't afford to fix it; and, the good vehicle they already had gets let to run-down on account of they don't drive it so much anymore; and, now, they need another job to help pay for getting back and forth to that job that caused all this problem in the first place.

Plus, having to drive the little death-trap gets their belly all in knots and they arrive at work already nervous and worn-out from the drive and are hateful the rest of the day to everyone else and go home hateful and eat their supper hateful and go to bed hateful until their wife gets fed up with it and starts sneaking around and then gets a divorce and demands child support payments to keep up her and her new man and all this trouble goes directly back to their idiotic decision to save on gas.


Look at it this way --- most vehicles that most people already have --- providing that they predate all this electronic computer-controlled foolishness --- you can spend the equivalent of one or two car payments on them and make them into a much better vehicle than the one you were going to make payments on.
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UUUH, the wife;s Toyo has a button that deactivates the shut down at stop lights Wink
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Buck your giving most of the people in the gas saver more credit than I think they deserve. Most in those death traps are the fastest drivers on the country roads. They act invincible. But the rest is spot on.

My son was given a deal he could not pass up on 2017 Ford 150 with the super gas mileage that will still haul a ton. If you read up to know just which button to push, and do it every time you start it that auto kill/start is turned off.
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Our Ford Escape also has a button you push to make it not shut off at every stop.
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Most vehicles have the override button to stop the auto shutoff. It's the first thing I hit when driving the wife's Chevy Equinox.
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Guess the engineers long forgot takes more gas to Start a dead engine and recharge the battery than to leave it idle. Is a emissions line of crap to shut down at every stop and a massive lie. Hard on machine and fuel same time.
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That 'no-stop-engine-at-any-time' button reminds me of the ASININE 'safety' feature of all 'riding mowers' for the past 2-3 decades....
Seemed cutting grass while backing up is a BAD thing, so 'they ' engineer a  'cannot cut grass while backing up system THEN create a more complicated ' yes you CAN cut grass while backing up  OVERRIDE system system, which of course DEFEATS the 'SAFETY' system.

Neither had any thing to do with safety or economy, it's just a make it more complicated to charge more deal....
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there was a toddler somewhere that daddy backed over while mowing and chopped his feet off so now you just back over said toddler with out chopping him up.....they need to let the Darwin Awards carry on. Getting to be too many stupid people.
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Back in the early '80's, the Consumer Product Safety Commission passed forth an edict ruling that lawn mowers must be equipped with a 'safety shield' on the back of rotary mowers.  The function of the 'safety shield' was twofold-  first was to deflect anything coming out the back, down, so that it wouldn't strike the operator... second, was to prevent someone from slipping under the deck- the 'safety shield' was to prevent this from happening.

I never had any problems with stuff coming out of the back of the mower at my feet, at least, not until the 'shield' appeared.  Apparently, in order to make them perform their under-deck slip protection, the sheild had to be supported at a high angle, which caused it to stab into the ground when backing or turning the mower.  The safety commission originally stated that 'mowers should never be pulled backwards, so that's fine', which in practice, meant that once the mower was nosed-up against something, the shield prevented any further motion, the operator would have to physically LIFT the mower and turn it to unwedge it from where it was mounted.  Immediately, hand injuries (lost fingers) from users lifting the running mower to turn it when the 'safety shield' got the mower stuck.  They put a rounded edge on the shield, which prevented that issue... but the side effect was that the shield now made it easier for a mower to wind up over the top of an operator's feet.

A few years later, the CPSC mandated that all mowers be fitted with either a very immediate brake bail on the handle, that when released, caused the blade to stop.  They came in two flavors, one that stopped the whole engine, one that simply stopped the blade.  The former cost less, the latter stopped faster.  Neither of them were particularly effective at changing the frequency or nature of accidents.

At the age of fourteen, I was visited by some statistics-analyst from the Consumer Product Safety Commission about my accident.  Having been mowing for better part of the prior four summers, I was well acquainted with both older mowers, and newer 'safety ' mowers, and when he asked me, I advised that none of the so-called 'safety features' were in any way effective.

--The rear shield, while fully intact and operational as designed, provided absolutely no resistance to my foot going beneath the mower.

--The bail, while fully functional and able to stop the mower in just six turns, failed to do so, because my hands were instinctively holding very fast to the handle, to prevent my whole body from winding up under that deck.  In fact, they were holding so tight at that moment, that I was able to lift the entire machine, by the HANDLE, and throw it 42 feet across the yard, into a creek.  I expect that the engine and blade DID stop within the 6 turns indicated, however, the 'feature' would have made no difference, as the blade hit my foot 5 times (that's only 2.5 rotations) during the very short timeframe the two shared critical space.

My current service truck has a dashboard that demonstrates audio-visual warnings for everything... really, really important things... it flashes words, with beeps and screams, and frequently demands some sort of acknowledgement... like  "Trailer Disconnected", and "Windshield Washer Fluid Low" and "Collision Assist Malfunction- Camera Obscured" and "BACKUP CAMERA MALFUNCTION- CONTACT DEALER FOR SERVICE".

All these warnings have the same result-  demanding a driver's attention and response, when they SHOULD BE KEEPING EYES ON THE ROAD.

These modern vehicles' systems are desgned by individuals who very well may be good at writing programming code, but they have absolutely NO intelligence beyond that.  The so-called 'safety' they create, is nothing more than one big mess of dangerous distraction.

Of course, this same lack of intelligence gives us cars that intentionally wear out starter motors, braking systems that drain themselves completely of fluid if one line becomes breached, and absolutely terrible blind-spots from air-bags placed in bloated covers at every pillar.

They're just terrible engineers... unable to see a forest, through the trees.


Edited by DaveKamp - 23 Feb 2025 at 11:34pm
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DaveKamp's post brings to mind an incident where we were chopping silage on some very steep ground.

The loaded silage truck I was driving got a bunch of very wet very slick down corn under it and slid sideways onto even steeper ground.

The land owner came into action with a big brand-new Massey-Ferguson with big decals all over it = "2016 Tractor of the Year"

Once we were securely log-chained together and beginning to move, he somehow managed to kill the engine and we both started slipping farther over the hill, getting closer and closer to the edge of a very deep abandoned quarry.

After what seemed forever, he managed to finally get the new Tractor of the Year started and running again and we managed to get ourselves out of the predicament.

I will never forget what he said when he clumb down out of the big Massey-Ferguson = "These modern safety features are gonna get a bunch of us killed."
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Now just try to imagine this....you are cutting the grass and you notice the hedge is getting a little ragged.  So, being and intelligent college graduate you lean over and try to pick up the lawn mower by wrapping your fingers around underneath the deck of said mower.  Yep, lost all the tips of his fingers and some had even more gone.
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