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So how rare is a D17 Wheatland propane?

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Will be a good one to watch!
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is that a true wheatland, it almost looks like the fenders are for that tractor, I have never seen one before.
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that last reply reads like crap, I meant to say those fenders dont look like they are made for that tractor...........sometimes my mind works faster than my fat fingers
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Thats a nice straight Wheatland. Its the real deal and a true very rare tractor. I had a gas wheatland that I sold to Ben J a year ago. The serial number is very close to the one that I had.  I'm restoring a D-17 D grove that has very similiar fenders but closed in on the outside.
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Boy I would think super rare. I'm guessing here but 5% of the guestimated 200 wheatlands built or about 10. I think there's two of them in the 1959 promotional

photo where they ligned up 43 tractors to spell the letter "D". Daryl K. posted a couple of weeks ago about someone out west that had 5 or 6 of them and 1 of them was
a LP unit.
 It looks like a fairly unmolested original although I find it odd that he says the steering
is locked up. This should be a fun one to watch. Ben did you get enough hi crops sold?
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I did get some tractors sold, Looks like a ok tractor but the motor is stuck and its missing the rear rims these are off a combine i would gess. I have one LP now and I have a total of 6 wheatlands all together. I dont know if i need #7. they say there were 200 made but i think there were a few more than that as I know where there are a good # of them my self. they just keep showing up. It's like the D14 high crop book says 6 made and i have seen over 15 of them my self. so who really know of the production #.
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Yes Bob Vanderploeg has the 6 Wheatlands. His restored ones is the gas, proapne and Diesel set. Old Allis News had a picture of his Propane when Dave Clausen did a article on him in Tulare CA. at the GOTO.
 
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Here's a pic of Bob's wheatland.....
there were a lot of drool marks on it.....
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Are you sure those are the wrong rims Ben?  They look like they have wheel weights on the inside of them so they're hard to see whether or not they are the right rims.  I know someone around here that has three wheatlands, I think one of them is a diesel and also has an AC loader mounted onto it.  They are neat machines.   I showed my wife this one, and she says it looks better then any tractor I have right now.  I don't know if that's a compliment or an insult.  I guess I just like collecting them and fixing them, but I haven't gotten to that restoration thing.
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Chuck, the seller says the rims are not the same. The right side wheel is not shown in any picture and does not have a weight.
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Ben you and Bob should get together and compare serial numbers. The seller is listing
the serial number as 28241 and the first serial number for a 1960 D17 is 28200 and
Calvin stated that 28241 was close to the one he sold you. I guess what I'm trying to say is it possible that the wheatland models where produced consecutively starting at serial number 28200?
 Also Norm's book lists 287 LP models out of 4,543 total D17's built in the 1960 year or
about 6.3% of all 17's in that year had a LP engine. I know of at least two wheatlands less than twenty miles from me and I should go pay them guys a visit and get their numbers.
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the rim on the right side is off a combine and the rim on the left is off a case tractor. thanks ben~!!

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I actually have  a registry of western (A-C called them westerns due to IH having wheatland pattened) D17s.  There are a bit over 30 in exhistance.  So far I have yet to find a two numbers in a row. 
If anyone that has a western tractor and hasnt talked to me please send me an e-mail with your name and serial number.  I'd appreciated it. 
Also Ben, can you send me the numbers off of yours?
 
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I was told that the wheatland package was a dealer installed kit.  I don’t know if this is true or not, but that would mean that the serial numbers might not matter.

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Joe, I have never heard or seen that in any books or sales literature.  If that was the case I think it would be mentioned in sales literature or parts manuals.  I do know a dealer that sold them new and they were brought up to him from West Allis as western tractors.

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I was at an auction about 6 or 7 years ago in Ohio with scads of Allis stuff, I bought a WD45 propane dual fuel there, and they had a new wheatland kit there that was brand new, wheels without tires, fenders and all, and it went for somewhere around $2000.00 so that makes me belive the Dealer installed kit Idea.
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My March of 1964 dealer parts catalog catlaog has a section called Wheat Belt Equipment and says used only prior to Serial #42001. Looks like the enginering group pulled a part number for the wheel assembly that included the rim first the pulled a number for the RH and LH fender then later for the brackets, supports, step, and it lists dust shields.

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I have seen what I would call original western tractors, if they were kit tractors the paint would possibly be a noticable difference as well as the hardware would likely not be painted.  Also I have heard where dealers got old inventory westerns and converted them to row crop tractors.  Does anybody have a 1959 sales price book?  That will answer our questions.
 
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Jim I think the parts book answers our question. The package was not listed in kit
form like a dealer package. You would have had to purchase all the parts and hardware
individually. The package was not very well thought out for instance why waste the
money on a roll a shift front axle when the rear wheels are fixed? I cant't find a non
adjustable front axle in the D17 parts book. How about a narrow front wheat belt?
Also Jim do you have a listed serial number lower than 28200? The reason I ask is
they made 12,264 17's in 1958 and 11,052 in 1959 and only 4,543 17's when the
recession hit in 1960. I speculate the wheat belt project came about about to try strum
up some businees to account for the 63% loss in business. I know the engineering
department made massive improvements to the D14 about that time. I restored a late
D14 and it had more parts content with a D15 series 1 than the early 14's.
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Acutally I do have a few below that number including the one we own.  I am not denying the fact that the western tractors were not available as a kit, but they have to had been available from the factory.  If they were a kit, then the orchard, high crops and any other specialty would have been kits also.  Also, if the dealer had to order a regular row crop tractor and convert it over which meant him taking off the fenders, wheels, tires and acquiring the kit hardware and tires there were would be alot less of them out there.  Dealers are not going to go through all of that work to convert the tractor. 
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Also, if there was a kit it would more than likely be listed in the wholegoods price book under "field installed" or "dealer installed" kits.  Which can only be ordered through wholegoods not parts.  For instance, you could not order a scourkleen from parts but you could order an installation kit from wholegoods.  The parts books most of the time show a break down of the kit but not a number for the entirety.
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  i have 1960 price book  will che ck to see if anything is listed  when i get time
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My sept.26th 1959 price book says wheatland equipment is a factory substitution. The front tires rear tires fenders and rear drawbar had a list price of 570.00. There was a grove package with fenders shields andgrille guard that is listed as one of the field installations
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How does $18601 answer your question? I had a chance to buy a running gasser last year for just under 10 grand, maybe i should of bought it.
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WOW in the last 60 seconds of bidding on the  Allis Chalmers D17 Wheatland  it went for $18,601.00. Must be nice to have that kind of cash flow.
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I expected a good price, but that is unbelievable. If it is legit I expect a few gassers will be converted to LP in the near future.
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WOW!  I told Dad he should chain and lock his to the floor!  Although it is a gas model.  I do have records of two other LPs. 

Thanks Sam for confirming that it was a factory option.  Although I have to eat my words about the grove equipment option! lol  You would think that would have been a factory installed deal too.

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I thought I was going to get it i bid the $13,900 wow sure went for more than i thought. I gess I will have to be happy with the ones that i have for now. I think some people got bid happy. I also would have to say i bet some gas ones get made in to LP. I cant see paying that for one. this one didn't even run. and the wheels were wrong. If any one knows who got it I have  a pair of rear wheels for it. BEN~!!
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I wonder what that makes my regular D17 propane worth?
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