Two-Ten with 670I out of N5 Timing issues

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   Greetings, I should contribute more then swinging through occasionaly in a dire way! Two winters ago we started the project of putting a 670I (Gleaner N5) engine into a Two-Ten. Orginal engine had sat open to the elements for many many years. I knew we would run into things with the front plate. We pulled rockers and cam and changed plates ,the injection pump holes were machined exactly in the Two-Ten plate as though it was on the combine plate to use N5 pump. I have photos but it seems to be a struggle I will try to upload later. Anyways everything went together pretty smoothly. Untill we went to start it. Messed and messed with it and it would just run absolutely aweful. My friend who I purchased the project from said we might have the pump 180 off. Sure enough we were. We had only ran it a little while like this knowing something was off. Silly mistake. From what I understand this engine is the same as a 7080? The book says 22° we set it there but the engine kind of idles with some unbunt fuel but definitely starts to miss a little when you pick up the throttle. If you pin its ears back it sounds as though it picks them all up sounds like like a dang puller, full throttle it has the flutter/miss again. We have worked off and on on it for almost two years now. Never leaving the shop. Happen to have a little time and was just trying to get imput on what I presume to still be a timing issue. Is 22° BTDC correct? Thank you in advance.

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ACD19farmboy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Missouri Points: 165	Post Options Post Reply Quote ACD19farmboy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Two-Ten with 670I out of N5 Timing issues Posted: 5 hours 3 minutes ago at 6:19pm
	Greetings, I should contribute more then swinging through occasionaly in a dire way! Two winters ago we started the project of putting a 670I (Gleaner N5) engine into a Two-Ten. Orginal engine had sat open to the elements for many many years. I knew we would run into things with the front plate. We pulled rockers and cam and changed plates ,the injection pump holes were machined exactly in the Two-Ten plate as though it was on the combine plate to use N5 pump. I have photos but it seems to be a struggle I will try to upload later. Anyways everything went together pretty smoothly. Untill we went to start it. Messed and messed with it and it would just run absolutely aweful. My friend who I purchased the project from said we might have the pump 180 off. Sure enough we were. We had only ran it a little while like this knowing something was off. Silly mistake. From what I understand this engine is the same as a 7080? The book says 22° we set it there but the engine kind of idles with some unbunt fuel but definitely starts to miss a little when you pick up the throttle. If you pin its ears back it sounds as though it picks them all up sounds like like a dang puller, full throttle it has the flutter/miss again. We have worked off and on on it for almost two years now. Never leaving the shop. Happen to have a little time and was just trying to get imput on what I presume to still be a timing issue. Is 22° BTDC correct? Thank you in advance.

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8070nc Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 21 Mar 2019 Location: North Carolina Points: 898	Post Options Post Reply Quote 8070nc Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 4 hours 12 minutes ago at 7:10pm
	Whitch pump. Roosa or m100
	1984 80780 1957 D14 DES 300 with 25000 engine 616 tractor

DrAllis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 23484	Post Options Post Reply Quote DrAllis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 4 hours 3 minutes ago at 7:19pm
	Try 16 degrees on the Stanadyne pump.

ACD19farmboy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Missouri Points: 165	Post Options Post Reply Quote ACD19farmboy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 4 hours 1 minutes ago at 7:21pm
	Roosa Master DM4629RY3761 2400 3248034 4036378 These are all the numbers from the pump.

Kevin in WA Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 08 Feb 2010 Location: Lynden, WA Points: 625	Post Options Post Reply Quote Kevin in WA Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 3 hours 1 minutes ago at 8:21pm
	Does it have Bosch Injectors? if so is the return line on the valve cover side? they can be installed a half a turn off, messes up the angle of the spray pattern and runs like crap.

DrAllis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 23484	Post Options Post Reply Quote DrAllis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 56 minutes ago at 10:26pm
	The basic engine is the same as a 7080 engine if they were both built on the same day. N-5's were 1980 and newer, so it has the large piston pins and 3 ring pistons. The injection pump however isn't the same as a 7080 and is set at 190 flywheel HP like a 7060 would have been. Timing works best at 16 degrees BTDC. I believe spec is 18 degrees. Bosch injectors must be positioned with the return line facing the valve cover.