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My newest favorite mistake. HD6G

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    Posted: 25 Aug 2024 at 8:53pm
Originally posted by wjohn wjohn wrote:

I agree - the old gal looks good. I hope to find an HD5 or HD6 someday.

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I agree - the old gal looks good. I hope to find an HD5 or HD6 someday.
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Thats a nice looking old machine !
Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Originally posted by orangeman orangeman wrote:

Nice muffler set up - where did you source?  ~ Orangeman
The muffler itself, I bought off of ebay, just shorty 3'' turbo muffler. The manifold I built from the stock piece, cut out the oval muffler and welded in a piece of heavy wall muffler tubing in it's place. I put the extension on top of the muffler to keep the fumes out of my face, but it provides a substantial arm/moment to strain the welds and clamp junctions due to the engine vibration.  Need to add a rubber suspended brace somewhere. 
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Nice muffler set up - where did you source?  ~ Orangeman
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Thought I would post a Pic just for the heck of it. It just runs and runs.....
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Originally posted by 200Tom1 200Tom1 wrote:

Way to go guy.   I sometimes wish I hadn't traded my last 1 off, but since my left arm went bad, I couldn't work on it. I hope you have fun running the old gal.
  The main clutch was the worst part, one or two good arms. My big belly didn't help at all.....Tongue
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Way to go guy.   I sometimes wish I hadn't traded my last 1 off, but since my left arm went bad, I couldn't work on it. I hope you have fun running the old gal.
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Nice Work ~ Orangeman
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Three or four days soaking the entire clutch pack in hydrochloric acid, and was able to separate the clutch discs. They look like they were nearly new. I replaced all the steels, and springs. Installed grease hoses on the t/o bearing while I was in there. At least I saved the drum $$. That mouse pee, over time, becomes a good imitation of epoxy. Used new brake bands L and R from SC.com. My tractor is now ready to move dirt, but it's rained every day for what seems like a month, and this black Missouri topsoil likes to sink tractors. Still, even with replacing steering clutch and main clutch, I'm still under my $6,000 budget, and can lift, push, or crush anything on my ranch. 
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Well, a month or so of being submerged in diesel fuel, and a little hammering, and the steering clutch finally unseized from the drum so I could remove it. The entire center of the clutch was stuffed with shredded carpet and mouse .
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Any of you guys ever repair  the sheet metal muffler on this HD344 motor. If so, I'd be interested in how you did it and what materials were used. This thing is so loud and exhaust pours out of everywhere except the stack. Plus, I don't like exposing exhaust valves to cold air intrusion or rain water. The 'car muffler' part of it is not very thick, and I have noTongue problem with welding. Also wouldn't mind putting a iron manifold on it if I could find one that costs less than the tractor. Tongue
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Originally posted by 200Tom1 200Tom1 wrote:

You get her all sewed up, she will be fun to run. I had several and enjoyed them. I even got the 1 grandson operating the last one.
Thanks. I haven't yet ran one with all the manual levers....looks like a job for a octopus. Everything is ready as soon as I can get that left steering clutch loose. SmileIt spun once while the tracks were really frozen, but it won't budge now. At least if it smokes, I will be able to remove it. 
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You get her all sewed up, she will be fun to run. I had several and enjoyed them. I even got the 1 grandson operating the last one.
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Well, I have the new Tyrone HD7-G pump, my clutch complete and installed. Started it up, and tested the hydraulics, went from 750 PSI on old Hydreco to 1500 PSI. It made this pressure just above low idle. Had a lot going on, and tried to roll back the bucket to push against the tracks, and my main hydraulic hose blew, sending a fountain of clean, expensive fluid all over me and everything within 15 feet. Old pump was definitely shot! Hose probably would have blown eventually in a less-convenient location, but still should have backed off the relief valve completely before testing a 'new' pump. Anyway, I set the trans in reverse, and locked back the free right steering clutch, and sort of 'leaned' the clutch against the stuck left clutch. To my surprise, the tractor started moving backwards, quite easily. I sort of bumped the clutch against that steering clutch a few times, and it freed up, a little shuddering was felt. Engaged both clutches, and the machine will roll itself backwards quite nicely, with engine barely above low idle. Still amazed at how much torque these engines make. Last main hyd hose I had made was for my 7G and cost 220$, 10 years ago. Major PITA to remove, as I recall. 
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Some progress here. Slowly getting the tracks unstuck, steering clutches still stuck. I'm not pushing them too hard, time and pressure usually works better. At least, unlike the bellhousing, they left the steering clutch compartment 'drain' plugs out. I did discover that I don't have a lot of boom down-force. I wasn't running the engine at a very high rpm as I don't have full coolant ( hose leak, waiting for oil-cooler gaskets) so I can only run for very short period. Manual describes possible a sticky spool valve part or broken/collapsed spring. I suppose a fella could have worse problems.......
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Tracks will free up considerably once you get to rolling on them with a few gradual turns included. Ensure you keep good tension on them when first starting out as a "stiff" track throws easily. Not too bad on a tractor of your size but a PIA all the same.  
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Sounds like you are on a mission! Tracy
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Well, I have ordered my clutch parts and sent off the disc to be relined. I then switched to the steering brakes, the left one was stuck like our economy. A little rosebud work and they freed up. I can now rotate the input shaft to the trans and move the machine a little. Tracks are slowly getting freed up by penetrant, pry bars and BFH's. I'm going to try to jack up the machine one side at a time and see how the tracks droop. The old 344 starts right up now and doesn't smoke anymore. Can't wait to be pushing dirt. 
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The cluch at pad .375 should be very good
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Got the clutch out, only had to cut off one corroded cover bolt. Pressure plate is cracked. Those three retainers on the outer perimeter are bolted on, and then apparently tack welded to the pressure plate. Clutch disc looked surprisingly good, and is >.375'' at the pads. Anyone have the thickness spec on the clutch disc?  There was still plenty of adjustment left on the clutch, I think Hector was right that they just ran it till it burned up, and the heat cracked the pressure plate (perhaps trying to unfreeze the tracks?)......water intrusion through the open inspection port finished the damage. Good news, I peeked into the tranny and it all looks factory shiny and new inside. Any RX on oil type for the trans? Once again, I appreciate all the help with the specifics in this project. 
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Originally posted by Ian Beale Ian Beale wrote:

It has been about 15 years since I was in that area!

I don't remember there being anything special.
I was able to to get the pump out, turned it a bit to clear the elbow and out it popped. The seal was not hard, but a tiny bit of side play in the pump shaft was enough to let fuel pass the seal. Didn't disassemble the pump....seal was in tight but I got it out. I didn't want to mess with that 'shim' gasket between body and cover. Still hitting 90 degrees here every day, slowing me down at my age. I did discover today that the fuel cutoff control doesn't work. Plunger is moving full travel, but no shut-off. Guess I'll take a look in there and see which irreplaceable part is missing/broken. Cheers. 

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It has been about 15 years since I was in that area!

I don't remember there being anything special.
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Originally posted by Ian Beale Ian Beale wrote:

That ought to have a PSB injection pump

For which parts are unobtanium

Reiterating - As it has been sitting for a questionable time make sure the pump is not stuck before you try to start it
  What about gaskets for the transfer pump. Are they paper, or o-ring, or ?
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Originally posted by 200Tom1 200Tom1 wrote:

I got all filters thru our local NAPA. Pull the motor to work on/replace the main clutch. Hopefully you have an oil clutch. The adjustment is under the floor board.   Usually easy to adjust. Good luck with the old gal. They are a whole lot of fun to operate. Wish I still had the last one I owned. It went to central Nebraska.
    Tom, it's a dry clutch. Others have said that it can be changed without removing the engine? It would be a chore pulling the engine where the machine is sitting. About those big 3/4' drive bolts, are you supposed to loosen those before the nose can be tilted forward? Thanks. Smile
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I've used 2 torches at the same time to heat up those big bolts. Spot weld them on the outside and get the biggest breaker bar on those nuts and start in. While you have it opened up. Replace the radiator hoses. Be careful you don't leave anything laying on top of the motor while starting the motor. I left a 3/8th wrench up there, the fan kicked it thru the radiator. That was $400.00 to fix 20 years ago.   
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I got all filters thru our local NAPA. Pull the motor to work on/replace the main clutch. Hopefully you have an oil clutch. The adjustment is under the floor board.   Usually easy to adjust. Good luck with the old gal. They are a whole lot of fun to operate. Wish I still had the last one I owned. It went to central Nebraska.
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It runs! Finally started popping a few cylinders after I got it fully primed and opened the throttle a little. Hydraulics work fine, too. The old 'oil' I drained out had so much diesel in it that I'm sure I could pour it right back in the tank and burn it. Time now to start pulling the main clutch down and pray I can find parts for it. 
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Originally posted by doctorcorey doctorcorey wrote:

Originally posted by HD6 Merv HD6 Merv wrote:

gauge will only really register with engine running, should be around 30 psi, anything over 20 is good.
The 2nd fuel filter can be a bugger to bleed.  To bleed those psb pumps, remove the 3/4 nut in the centre of the fuel pump head, where the injector pipes come out. And crank until fuel comes out tthere
  Thanks, I'll try that. Now, I'm trying to tilt the radiator guard/nose piece forward so I can access the injector pump (to get the transfer pump out, the guard is partially blocking it). I removed the two rear bolts. Am I supposed to turn or loosen those two big flathead pivots with the 3/4 square drive, or is it supposed to pivot on those? Never had to move this piece on my 7G.
  Also, it looks like someone has chiseled on those in the past, to try to turn them, I guess. 
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Originally posted by HD6 Merv HD6 Merv wrote:

gauge will only really register with engine running, should be around 30 psi, anything over 20 is good.
The 2nd fuel filter can be a bugger to bleed.  To bleed those psb pumps, remove the 3/4 nut in the centre of the fuel pump head, where the injector pipes come out. And crank until fuel comes out tthere
  Thanks, I'll try that. Now, I'm trying to tilt the radiator guard/nose piece forward so I can access the injector pump (to get the transfer pump out, the guard is partially blocking it). I removed the two rear bolts. Am I supposed to turn or loosen those two big flathead pivots with the 3/4 square drive, or is it supposed to pivot on those? Never had to move this piece on my 7G.
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