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True MPG's for a Diesel P/U??

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    Posted: 20 Sep 2019 at 8:28pm
Talked with a siding contractor that runs a '17 1 ton crew cab 4x4 with a Duramax diesel. Somewhat teased him about his 18-20 mpg that I've heard/read about and he flat out laughed Geek . Said that "can" happen unloaded, going downhill in neutral WITH a tail wind Confused . He said once he hooks up the 24' tandem axle job site trailer, mpg goes to 7-8 Ouch . Where's the cost benefit between a gasser and a diesel? I thought I had it bad with my 5.4 at 9-10 mpg LOL !! 
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Humm dont know about GM but in the 2 years I have had my F250 6.7L I have never seen 7-8 mpg. even with the D17 loaded on the gooseneck. Sure wished the trucks did not have as many fuel eating restrictions, But I do like the clean air.
If your going to haul a lot of the time and keep your truck for 10 years, the diesel is probably the way to go. 
If I was to get a new truck I would look hard at the gas units too!
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I will say that the enclosed cargo trailer's contents(supplies/tools) weighed closer to a "loaded" 220
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I thought you might be a tad heavier than what I pull. 
They pull good. I may be spoiled, if I go back to gas?
Load up a gas truck and I bet you wont get good mileage either?
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Edited by Sugarmaker - 21 Sep 2019 at 2:26pm
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I have a 2003 Dodge with the 5.9 Cummins in it. It was my dad's truck, I ended up with it after he passed. It will get around 16 mpg empty, maybe 13 to 14 pulling a WD45 around. Here's the wildcard, the onboard computer tells me I'm getting lots better mpg than the math when I fill up. Usually about 15% or so. Driving around NE Wi. a couple years back the average economy showed over 20, not sure how far it was off that time but I'm sure it was not right.

After having this thing for a while I'll say this; I would not buy another diesel for what I do. The towing I do is not frequent or heavy enough to justify it. The little bump in fuel economy is offset buy the increased price of fuel. Oil changes are expensive, takes 12 quarts of oil as compared to 6 for my POS GMC. The Dodge does do a great job towing but it could really use a performance chip. Acceleration is not great, very hard to pass while towing. This truck has only about 70,000  miles and I drive the GMC most of the time so it will probably be with me for a long time!
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It's been said that there are two things men lie about: 1) the fuel mileage of their diesel pickup. And 2) the length of their.....Oh, never mind. Lol! Darrel
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what IBWD Mike says. there are very few that will ever actually realize the economy of a diesel. they cost more to buy, cost more to operate, and their slightly better mileage will not cover the difference in gas/fuel cost. True, diesel has a bit better performance, but, for most of us the small difference in performance is not worth the cost.
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Originally posted by darrel in ND darrel in ND wrote:

It's been said that there are two things men lie about: 1) the fuel mileage of their diesel pickup. And 2) the length of their.....Oh, never mind. Lol! Darrel


well, at least one of those is easy to prove!
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Diesel motors in pickups and one tons are JUNK!---and I don't care what brand you talk about either! GO GAS and never look back! Gas is cheaper, available everywhere and no the mileage aint great due to the poor quality of gas, but neither is diesel quality.
I can get 16mpg on this POS f-350---7.3 empty, running 45 to 50 at 1500 rpm's. ---hook up the tri-axle and put the skidloader on and get 6 to 10 on a good day plus speed drops to 30, dont matter where you hold your foot on the go peddle either.
As already stated, the expense to maintain them is almost prohibitive !  --- In cold weather, they never start, where a gas will.
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Not had that problem until the Newest craze by EPA as to Diesel, ULSD. I had at one time received 17mpg pretty consistently with my '99 SD F250 7.3 automatic, that dropped to 13 on Low SD, then to 9 with the USLD, a processor reflash with a programmer mileage back to 15 and 12 Loaded with my gooseneck and 180D on it usually with some implement behind it running I-44 to MO19 down to Brother In Law's place. Never had a issue with power running with OD still available and 70+mph on interstate.

Old wagon is tired now, 340,000 miles, basically used on or for the farm here semi retired.

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that make ad on boxes to get you better mileage and power when needed. my '97 1 ton 4x4 has one on it when I bought it. it allowed me to get on average 27 MPG with my 6,5 Diesel. my little box don't have a sticker on it so I don't know what brand it is. it also allows me 13 different settings depending on what is needed. I've never pulled a big loaded trailer with it, but just drove it for the excellent ride and mileage. I can change the settings of the chips and the turbo boost by turning 2 dials on the dash.
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Don't make a difference be it diesel or gas, if your #1 worry is MPG, by  a  car or bicycle ! Pickups were made for haulin materials like firewod,stones, drywall, etc. NOT kids to hockey practice.....
The 'contractor sson' raved about his Dodge PU with 3.0 getting great mileage UNTIL he started hauling tools and trailers. NOW he says nothing......
You can 'tweak' any engine to get EITHER pulling power or MPG, just not both at the same time. 'tuners', if they're smart( it ain't rocket science BTW) should be 'dynamic' and retune 'on the fly', as required, to get the best performance. I do chuckle at the profit the tuner guys are making though.

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The real problem nowadays is the lower quality fuels. The cetane rating for diesel used to be 50 or above 25-30 years ago, now all you can find is a minimum of 40. Occasionally someplaces will be selling “premium diesel” at 45 minimum cetane. My dad go one of the first 5.9-5speed Dodges in 1989, it has a 3:54 ratio rear and is 2wd. When is was new and fuel was 50+ cetane it would get 30+ when running empty and keeping the RPMs down, loaded it would still get low 20s pulling a trailer. Now even with adding cetane booster/injector cleaner to the fuel the best it can do is about 22 MPG.
   I got a 93 new with a 5 speed and 4:10 rear 2wd and it could get 17-18 MPG on long trips pulling the trailer at near to 20,000. To do that I had to stay in the right lane and under 62 MPH. If I kept up with the prevaling traffic, MPG would drop. Now thw the cetane is lower, its a stretch to get 14-15 loaded and driving easy.
Today everone “must have” a 4wd and they have no idea how much extra fuel that wastes. Along with the latest pollution particulate filters that need raw fuel sprayed through them to burn them clean. All the added truck weight of the 4 door cabs and the multitude of electronics has to be moved, the engine doesn’t know if it’s pulling against payload or truck weight, it’s all the same at the back of the crankshaft. 70 mile and hour and above speed limits are doing nothing for fuel economy. Most people are doing 80 and above around here.
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have a 2002 4wd auto 5.9 dodge cummins gets 18.5 mostly empty

2002 2wd dodge cummins 6 spd 16 mostly empty

1996 2wd dodge cummins 5 spd 18.5 loaded @ 25 empty

I have noticed the 2002's have a lot more power than the 1996 I figure that's where my fuel goes

I don't know why the 4wd auto gets better mileage than the other 2002 I have
they are identical trucks and gear ratio's. all trucks are stock

trucks are all work trucks, and stay loaded or hooked to a trailer I like the weight of a diesel for stability since mine are loaded or pulling a trailer
wouldn't buy a new one tho

I like driving the 1996 and it sets low and is easy to get stuff out of bed but I bought a tilt deck trailer and the landing gear got hung up on rail road tracks,
wish the 4wd didn't set as high as it does, am not tall enough, or arms aren't long enough to get stuff out of bed
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My 2016 Chevy Silverado 2500 6.0 gas, 6 speed auto, 2WD, gets 12.3 MPG.
Driven on flat land unloaded. It was a mistake purchase, a little old S-10 would have been good enough. Plans changed.

My only complaint is the 39" bed height, that makes everything a pain.
I give it the dumb ass label/bad thoughts whenever I struggle to grab something out
of the bed.  I wonder how they could re-design it to lower the bed (assuming same capacities). Don't the 2500 vans have a much lower floor?
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Marion you need to see a doc about those short legs and arms. My uncle used to have a 60's Saab when I was a kid and he lived about forty miles away. He was helpin mom and dad remodel the house, and I don't know what he got for mileage (I was a kid and didn't care) but he sure did brag, brag, brag, brag, brag about it. It had a 3 cyl diesel and it was a small, puke green 2 door car. I've always stuck with gas.
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Paul B is right on it , the quality of fuel is a big factor,, this junk chit MFA/ Breaktime sells wont even start a brush pile on fire
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My 95 GMC K1500 always got between 19 and 21 mpg. 17 mpg pluuing a 7500 lb 26 ft camper. Wd45 on trailer kept 19 mpg. After Ultre low sulphur diesel it's never got over 15. Down to 10 towing. Only thing that changed was the fuel. I now use a gas suburban for towing. 454 with 4.10 gears it get 10 towing or bare. Still towing the same camper.
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I found a pint( yeah a real PINT) of Topflight Diesel fuel , for small diesel hobby engines and it HAS to be 50 years old.. I opened it up , squirted a log, toss a match ..whooosh !!! I can't believe it actually would do that !
I'm betting today's diesel won't do that in 50 years !

as for bed height.. they make them have high sides so the 'showoff' guys can lean on them.. afterall IF you can afford a $100,000 brand new pickup, YOU can hire someone at $15 to do the grunt work, right??
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I've had diesel Dodge rams since 1990 and anyone that says a gas moter will pull with it is a fool or a liar. Around here in NC Black Mountain is about the toughest pull around and every Diesel I have had wi accelerate up it in direct drive pulling 10,000 pounds and a simular sized gas will lose speed at nearly 3 times the RPM's . My current truck is a 2012 with the 6.7 and it gets the worst fuel millage of any that I have had and that is 17/18 on the interstate at 70 mph. 19 on 55 mph highways and 10.5 pulling 12,000 on the interstate and that is hand figured, not the guesser. My son has had diesels since 2000 and this last truck is the 6.4 hemi. He loves it but it isn't even in the same ballpark with both of us pulling up Black Mountain. I can click along in direct drive at 55 mph and turning 1950 rpms and he will be in 3rd gear at 4500 rpms and getting slower all the time. 
 Gas is cheaper and buying the truck initially it will be cheaper but if pulling is the plan buy a diesel

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My 1994 Chevy Silverado 1500 5.7 gas, 4 speed auto, 2wd gets 16 unloaded and 8-9 loaded pulling the Wd45.
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Originally posted by Nat Nat wrote:

I've had diesel Dodge rams since 1990 and anyone that says a gas moter will pull with it is a fool or a liar. Around here in NC Black Mountain is about the toughest pull around and every Diesel I have had wi accelerate up it in direct drive pulling 10,000 pounds and a simular sized gas will lose speed at nearly 3 times the RPM's . My current truck is a 2012 with the 6.7 and it gets the worst fuel millage of any that I have had and that is 17/18 on the interstate at 70 mph. 19 on 55 mph highways and 10.5 pulling 12,000 on the interstate and that is hand figured, not the guesser. My son has had diesels since 2000 and this last truck is the 6.4 hemi. He loves it but it isn't even in the same ballpark with both of us pulling up Black Mountain. I can click along in direct drive at 55 mph and turning 1950 rpms and he will be in 3rd gear at 4500 rpms and getting slower all the time. 
 Gas is cheaper and buying the truck initially it will be cheaper but if pulling is the plan buy a diesel



Its true , all one has to do is compare the torque readings of diesels, up to 1000 versus gas.
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Originally posted by IBWD MIke IBWD MIke wrote:

I have a 2003 Dodge with the 5.9 Cummins in it. It was my dad's truck, I ended up with it after he passed. It will get around 16 mpg empty, maybe 13 to 14 pulling a WD45 around. Here's the wildcard, the onboard computer tells me I'm getting lots better mpg than the math when I fill up. Usually about 15% or so. Driving around NE Wi. a couple years back the average economy showed over 20, not sure how far it was off that time but I'm sure it was not right.

My truck is an '03 Ram 3500 HO with the 6-speed manual. It's 4x4, quad cab, dually, and has a flatbed on the back, so other than the manual transmission you can't get much worse of a configuration for fuel economy. It's pleasantly surprised me and I've consistently gotten 18.5-19.5 empty driving back and forth to work and the best I ever did was 21.5 at 65 MPH driving across a few states. The display is anywhere from 5-15% lower than my actual fuel economy. I have yet to tow with it though. Bought it to pull a trailer and I have yet to buy the trailer... Go figure.

Just had to replace the APPS sensor in it and boy did that really mess with the computer's fuel economy calculation when it was going bad and making it impossible to smoothly work the accelerator pedal... It showed 15.5 for a tank that was actually still right around 19.
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