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Allis Wd45 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 06 Nov 2017 Location: Washington Points: 171 |
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I have a question about my wd45’s oil pressure when I start it up the needle on the gauge reads about N in the word Normal when warmed up it is at the mark right before the N how much pressure is this and is this something to worry about? Thanks
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littlemarv ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 10 Jun 2013 Location: Wisconsin Points: 1834 |
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If I remember right, they are 30 psi gauges. Here's how I tested out my gauge at 10, 15, 20, and 30 psi. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Allis Wd45 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 06 Nov 2017 Location: Washington Points: 171 |
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I do believe I have read that before that they are 30 psi guages thanks for the pictures. I think I'd be okay then at 10 psi
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littlemarv ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 10 Jun 2013 Location: Wisconsin Points: 1834 |
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Well, if it's on the mark before the N when it's warm, that might be around 5 psi. Which still might be OK, but I think she is worn.
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Allis Wd45 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 06 Nov 2017 Location: Washington Points: 171 |
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That’s what I was thinking is there anyway to increase this without a rebuild?
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Stan R ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 03 Dec 2009 Location: MA Points: 993 |
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Heavier oil, but why?
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CrestonM ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8455 |
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Personally I don't think heavier oil does much good. It just increases friction to build pressure. Increased friction makes things hotter, and increases wear. I was told it's better to have lower pressure with spec oil than higher pressure with thick oil.
Before I overhauled my B and Ford 8N, each tractor barely registered any oil pressure when hot. When I took them apart, all the bearings in both tractors looked nearly perfect, despite some wear after 70 years. Now, I've also heard that 5 lbs in a B/C/CA is perfectly fine, but I think on the W series, if the cam bearings are worn bad, that causes a lot of loss in pressure. But, maybe someone else can verify.
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DiyDave ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 54270 |
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Got to remember the general rule of thumb for low speed engines is 1 psi, for each 1000RPM... seen many a b, c, ca run for years at 5psi...
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Allis Wd45 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 06 Nov 2017 Location: Washington Points: 171 |
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Ok I’ve got 30w oil and Lucas stabilizer in it
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wayneIA ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 17 Oct 2009 Location: Waverly, IA Points: 268 |
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On the WD 45 style engines, if the oil pressure is low usually changing cam bearings will bring it back up. The oil goes to the cam first and if the bearings are loose, you lose most of your pressure there. A friend had a similar issue, engine was pretty tight (very little blow by and made good power), but had very little oil pressure. We changed the cam bearings and brought the pressure back up.
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DougS ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Location: Iowa Points: 2490 |
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Put thicker oil in and increase the pressure maybe a couple of PSI. So you have slightly more pressure pushing at thicker oil. I don’t see that giving any better oil flow.
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Gerald J. ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton Co, IA Points: 5636 |
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Be sure the oil filter isn't a fluted paper junk filter. It needs to be filled with cotton fiber. The pressure drop of the filter sets the oil pressure in the bypass filter oil system. A few years ago filter makers changed the filters and destroyed AC engines. Also be sure there is a tube in the center of the filter. There is a pressure regulator valve that bleeds to the filter and its spring can sometimes be adjusted.
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CrestonM ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8455 |
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And make sure the tube in the center of the filter base isn't pushed all the way down...mine was when I got it...it was often a "quick fix" to try and get some pressure built up. Pushing it down cuts off oil flow to the filter.
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DSeries4 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Ontario, Canada Points: 7511 |
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The filter is definitely the cheapest way to start. Get a Fram C159 filter on it.
Heavier oil is not the answer. It only puts off the inevitable for a little while. I know of a dealer that puts it in tractors that they sell. Someone I know bought a backhoe from there. The engine seized with the hoe in a hole 11' deep! The engine couldn't pump the thick oil in cold weather. |
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Allis Wd45 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 06 Nov 2017 Location: Washington Points: 171 |
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I currently have a wix 57011 filter on it.
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CrestonM ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8455 |
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That's what I use. Nothing wrong with that.
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Allis Wd45 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 06 Nov 2017 Location: Washington Points: 171 |
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Ok I’m not by the tractor now when I am I’ll post a picture of the oil filter mount to see if that’s right.
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Allis dave ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 10 May 2012 Location: Northern IN Points: 3072 |
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You're right on the line of being ok or low. Like others said, most likely is your cam bearings are worn. An up to snuff oil system usually has the needle straight up between the R and M at about 15 PSI
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Allis Wd45 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 06 Nov 2017 Location: Washington Points: 171 |
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I was just reading through this post. I currently have the oil pan off the engine to change the pan gasket. How much work is required to replace the cam bearings. I'm not necessarily going to change them just curious of what all needs to be done.
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Don(MO) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bates City MO. Points: 6862 |
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The engine will need to come out to get the cam bearing changed, like this.
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3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.
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Brian G. NY ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: 12194 Points: 2269 |
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[QUOTE=littlemarv]
If I remember right, they are 30 psi gauges. Here's how I tested out my gauge at 10, 15, 20, and 30 psi. ______________________________________________________________ Marv, that is a clever idea! "Normal" oil pressure on a WD/WD-45 is 12 PSI at operating temp. Spiking to 25-30 PSI at cold start up is probably normal, especially if the oil pump and engine are in excellent condition. Of course we all know these engines seemingly last forever with the needle barely off the pin. |
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Adam Stratton ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: SW MO Points: 1363 |
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Don, is that a special puller or how tricky is it for an amateur to replace? Ive got a 45 and a D14 on the list that both need that job done.
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Don(MO) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bates City MO. Points: 6862 |
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Adam you can install them with a cam bearing driver like this and you might rent one from the parts store, if you are thinking about trying to do them send me a PM with your phone number and I will walk you through it. ![]() |
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3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.
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GARY(OH/IN) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 19 May 2010 Location: Findlay,Ohio Points: 917 |
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That 5# oil pressure on the little B's can make you money now and again. I was at an auction and bought a restored 1947 B with a Woods belly mower, L59 I think, for $850. All new rubber with the size on the bars yet hardly marked. New paint and decals, ran and drove nice, nice all the way around. It was a consignment sale and it was announced that after the rebuild it still only had 5# so the owner went and bought new. Auctioneer told me he was a city guy with alligator shoes. Next consignment sale I went to I saw a guy looking at mowers. Pitched mine and he watched the junk sell, then stopped over and bought the B for $1750. Good Enough.
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Allis Wd45 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 06 Nov 2017 Location: Washington Points: 171 |
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Sounds like a little more work than I’m wanting to do at the moment. I will just leave it alone since these engines seem to run fine on 5-10 Psi.
Edited by Allis Wd45 - 06 Jan 2019 at 4:07am |
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Allis Wd45 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 06 Nov 2017 Location: Washington Points: 171 |
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![]() Looking at the pressure guage on my tractor I noticed the box that the letters are in is slightly longer than the pictures posted above. Is mine a 30psi guage or is it different since the face is slightly different? |
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Lonn ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Назарово,Russia Points: 29817 |
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If someone hasn't already said so, just install a known good quality 30# gauge to see what you really have for pressure.
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