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weiner
Orange Level Joined: 19 May 2012 Location: Cadillac, Mi. Points: 4305 |
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I always figured if the teacher can`t teach at 60 thousand, she can`t teach at 100 thousand either. In other words she is a bad teacher no matter what she is paid, just like a good teacher is a good teacher no matter what she is paid.
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chaskaduo
Orange Level Joined: 26 Nov 2016 Location: Twin Cities Points: 5203 |
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The deal is how to get rid of the poor quality teachers once they are in the union.
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steve(ill)
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 80199 |
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YEP............ if you paid twice as much and got TWICE as good of applicants / teachers, that would be great.. Then monitor and get rid of the ones that done put out.. Paying the present bunch to do what they are doing now is a non starter !
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Thad in AR.
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Arkansas Points: 9411 |
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Joe the exact thing happened at out McDonalds. Now inside they have machines to take your order not people. (Caused by minimum wage increase) The drive through has 4 parking spots to sit and wait and all 4 are always full and the driveway out is always clogged up with people waiting. I used to have coffee with a WW2 vet and a good group of guys every day. Now it’s no more. |
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Thad in AR.
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Arkansas Points: 9411 |
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I completely agree I had a boss once that told our crew that there ain’t a man alive that can make it on 40 hrs a week. I spoke up and said that any man that can’t make it on 40 can’t make it on 60 or 80 either. It’s a management problem not a pay problem. He proved me right on several occasions. |
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jaybmiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 22256 |
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teachers are on strike up here in Ontario, they say 'wages' aren't the issue and the guv say 1% pay raise. All hell breaks loose..walkouts..disruptions, etc. OK, old skool math, 1% of 100K is 1,000 canucks, say 1/2 goes to taxes, $500 in pocket, 52 weeks in a year, so about $10 extra per week. That's 1 coffee per weekday ! idiots... |
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ac hunter
Orange Level Joined: 05 Jan 2011 Location: OHIO Points: 976 |
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We often see school busses delivering children back home at 2:30 - 3:00 pm; not kids in kiddie garden. What length of day could they have had? Take out a lunch period and it's even shorter. I can't see an 8 hr. day anywhere there. 3 months off in the summer. Not a bad vacation. Turning out kids that can't function in everyday life.
A school building seems to be one of the most under-used facilities there are. Less than 8 hrs. per day and only 9 months per year; less spring break, Christmas, etc. Now I've vented a little of my frustration.
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chaskaduo
Orange Level Joined: 26 Nov 2016 Location: Twin Cities Points: 5203 |
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Around here they are pretty much baby sitters for the day. We pay through the nose for lap tops to use at school for theirs curriculum, and they take it home to do their home work. New computers and lap tops every 2-3 years. The only teachers that do any thing seem to be Phy-Ed. There's no cursive or anything that requires teachers to actually stand up and teach it seems anymore. I'm sure there's a little more to it but I'll bet teachers 30 - 40 years ago would have thought, how gravy this is.
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D14JIM14
Bronze Level Access Joined: 25 Jan 2020 Location: Brazil, indiana Points: 190 |
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I was talking to an employee at Kroger one day and she asked me whatime it was . There was a clock on the wall and I said so. She said she couldn't read it ! She had to be 25 years old. If it's not digital they cant read it.
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tadams(OH)
Orange Level Access Joined: 17 Sep 2009 Location: Jeromesville, O Points: 10017 |
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Sorry but to me if a kid can't read a clock that's the parents fault. Most teachers union don't care about starting wage when they a talking raises all they worry about is themself
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D14JIM14
Bronze Level Access Joined: 25 Jan 2020 Location: Brazil, indiana Points: 190 |
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I agree but I wasn't blaming teachers. It's our society .
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Ray54
Orange Level Access Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Paso Robles, Ca Points: 4474 |
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To many bad teachers,do what they can to get the good ones somewhere else so how bad they are doesn't show so much. Princeple was mad at my wife for teaching cursive and how to read a "old" clock,and a million more things. In the Land of Fruits and Nuts there is no discipline,been made againist the law to expel children from school. Street smarts they have,so the kids run the place. With both side mad at her my wife had enough after 24 years and walked with what retirement she had. If you cannot make a kid sit down and be quiet none can learn. Just a wast of time,and money all the way around.
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DMiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 30709 |
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Have brought it up before, my nephew, BILs boy has a Masters Degree in Education background World History, has never used it, works as a Store Manager for harbor Freight. They pay him well enough does not need to teach nor want to. One and ONLY interview he had the Administrator told him he would have to Temp for at least two years no benefits, could not Free Hand teach or expose the Children to those pieces of History the School system did not want taught, he never looked back.
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john(MI)
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: SE MI Points: 9263 |
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It seems to me the teachers are only doing what they are told to do and are only teaching what they are told to teach. It's not the teachers fault they are told they can no longer teach cursive or old school math! If there is an issue with the teachers, it's just like everything else. You need to take it to the management or the board. All you guys need to do is go in there and complain about those worthless teachers. Everyone of you is probably paying taxes for the school system. You don't need to sit on your butts and do nothing! When you do go in, take a couple reams of paper, a thousand pencils, and 20 big boxes of crayons for the kiddies. Might want grab a case of highlighters along the way. These can be handed out to the teachers. Oh and each of you should volunteer to go to the teachers house every night to grade the days papers! The computer issue is easy to fix. Have the government stop advancements in technology. A normal computer is almost obsolete after 3 to 4 years. One of my jobs working for the National Weather Service was to purchase new computers for the office. I had the office broken down into three groups and each group was replaced on a 3 or 4 year cycles. These were not high end computers a little more power than your own home computer. For the jobs they were asked to perform those were adequate for the life expectancy. Now the weather system computers were another story and were purchase by headquarters Silver Spring MD. They were also replaced on a similar cycle. BTW, if you are wondering, the entire Central Region possibly the entire country's field offices of the NWS used Dell. The computers purchased for the weather systems were also Dell, including all of the servers. The most reliable available. If you want a new computer, go to Dell.com and look for the Dell Outlet link. Refurbished, and scratch and dent, are just as good as new, just cheaper. I would think for most on here, the cheapest one would be adequate. The laptop I'm typing this on was $200.00. I'm not cheap I'm frugal.
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Ted J
Orange Level Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: La Crosse, WI Points: 18786 |
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As you have said John, it is the GOVERNMENT that is behind all of this. If you've never read the book "The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America" a book by Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt, you should do so.
In a short version of what she has to say, it is the government doing this, just like Hitler did to Germany. Made it so that the children were indoctrinated and turned against everyone except the government, because the govt. was giving them everything they needed. They weren't allowed to THINK. That has always been my biggest bitch,,,,,,our children are being taught. Taught ONLY what the govt. wants them to know. Taught, instead of EDUCATED. It IS parents AND teachers faults. The teachers for not standing up to the powers that be and saying NO, we're going to educate our children. Parents for sitting still and doing nothing. I know it''s hard, for want of money, both couples have to work to make ends meet. Remember when the women HAD to work in the factories etc. during WWII? Well aftern the war, the govt got the bright idea that they would have more money coming in if both worked and paid taxes. Follow the money trail...... We weren't happy with the old way of life, we wanted more....and it has cost us dearly... It's time we fought back! Why do you think they want to get rid of Trump so bad? Because he's NOT one of the cogs of the political machine. Enough of my rant,,,,,sorry guys and gals. But sometimes a person has to educate his fellow beings so that things might change.....for the better! |
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festus51
Orange Level Access Joined: 26 Mar 2017 Location: Osage City, KS Points: 1639 |
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True statement Ted.. My daughter in law is a teacher moved up to admin. I am afraid to ask or say anything about what is being taught. want to keep peace in the family.
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jaybmiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 22256 |
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re: A normal computer is almost obsolete after 3 to 4 years. Actually according to 'them' it's obsolete BEFORE you buy it ! 'They' don't make ANY money if YOU keep your old computers. I haven't BOUGHT a new computer since mid80s, handmedowns, freebies, tossaways .. they still work. Funny thing is I can get my 'old' Windows98 PC to do stuff a brand new 'state of the art' Win10 laptop can't.... I LOVE 'old skool' tech !!!
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EricPA
Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Watsontown,PA. Points: 2578 |
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I did the very same thing last year at a Subway Our bill was $19.25 so I handed her a 20 then fished a quarter out of my pocket and handed it to her. The look on her face was priceless, like I had 3 heads. "What do I do with this" "I already punched it in so I don't know what to give you" a dollar I said. She looked at her 50something co worker and asked "how much change do I give him?" A dollar was the reply |
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cabinhollow
Orange Level Joined: 24 Mar 2018 Location: SEKY Points: 327 |
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I do this to them.
Stop to get fuel and a drink. They ring it up and I can see the total (this Fri it was $2.95), as they say "do you need anything else". I said $37.05 on pump 5 and handed them $40.00. They ring it in and then look at how much I handed them, look at what the total is, look back at how much I handed them, look at me and say"How did you do that". Most of the time I reply," Elementary school math." |
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Ray54
Orange Level Access Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Paso Robles, Ca Points: 4474 |
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Sitting with my wife and my sister,and pocket computers(phones) came up. My wife bragges she found the flash light thingy on her phone. So my sister and her tryed my sisters phone. My sister complained to many passwords to remember,needed to write it down.After comments here, I suggested write it in cursive. It will still be safe from a good part of the population.
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john(MI)
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: SE MI Points: 9263 |
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I remember when this new math hit the schools. The teachers were up in arms about it, but it didn't do any good. I remember when I was in elementary school. I don't remember what grade, but they came in with these new math books and told us this is what you will be taught now, New Math. I guess it was in the early 60's. When they came out with this new math I figured it was going back to what I learnt early on! Gone full circle!? I think it's like electronics . . .does the positive electron move toward the negative, or the other way around? We went back and forth on this for an entire day back in Electronics Tech School when I was USAF. I also remember the first CRT"S were called padink tubes. The electrons were shot down a conveyor belt to the screen. They ricocheted off of the screen and dropped down to the bottom and went padink. And then another conveyor took them back up to get shot again. I guess parents could teach cursive at home. They teach the children to count and the alphabet and print their name before Kindergarten. Come about second grade you start teaching them cursive.
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Kansas99
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john(MI) "
It seems to me the teachers are only doing what they are told to do and
are only teaching what they are told to teach. It's not the teachers
fault they are told they can no longer teach cursive or old school
math! " I agree it's not the teachers that determine the curriculum and apparently now days they can only teach the curriculum the way they're told. I have a 90 year old land lady that taught K,1,&2 for almost 50 years and after she retired the locals would bring their kids to her that were struggling in school and she would tutor them free gratis. Around 6-7 years ago she was tutoring a young boy that was having trouble with fractions and such in math class. When the boy explained to her how the teacher was telling them to do the problems she couldn't even understand what the teacher was teaching, so she taught the boy how to do it the way she taught and learned. The boy started acing his math class and the parents called her and were so happy because he was getting A's in math class and couldn't thank her enough. Well within a couple of weeks the teacher called my land lady and asked her how she had taught the boy fractions and the teacher then informed her that they had a curriculum to follow and that way of teaching was not allowed! The boys parents went to the school board and unfortunately the board sided with the teacher and the parents pulled the boy from getting tutored. So I guess they teach a curriculum now days and that includes how to teach it to? My land lady just throws her hands up now and says I guess if a child doesn't understand something you assume their dumb and don't worry about trying to teach them in a way they can learn. She also has big problem with the special needs children, as she puts it we spend all this time and extra classes and such on special needs children which is fine, but we leave half the special needs children behind because the ones making straight A's we don't offer many extras for and don't challenge them, then they become board and get in trouble. I guess that must be why I was always in trouble growing up. |
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jaybmiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 22256 |
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Here's a REAL head shaker. Granddaughter is in grade 12, has 4 classes per day. Lets' call them a,b,c,d with 'a' starting at 9AM. 1st day of the month she goes to a->b->c->d, 2nd day of the month b->c->d->a, 3rd is c->d->a->b. yeah, I'm cornfused too !! 'they' rotate the subjects. No wonder kids have a hard time in school ! Guess I'm old , but school SHOULD teach kids 'structure', like Engilish is always 3rd period. This 'new' system is setting the kids up to fail when they get a real job with a REAL timetable. In spite of this, she get high 90s, and yes ,knows please and thank you !
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