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Starter heater on GM diesel - HD7 |
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Karanger ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 2016 Location: UK Points: 8 |
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Can anyone help me with parts or info on the heaters fitted to HD7 and other allis crawlers
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CAL(KS) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Location: Chapman, KS Points: 3800 |
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Most of them have ether inject system and some had diesel fuel heater option. What are you needing?
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Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20
Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
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Karanger ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 2016 Location: UK Points: 8 |
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Hello, my hd7 has the coil type where diesel is sprayed onto a spark which is generated my the coil
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 33682 |
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Never seen such a device, photos of the old? I have seen air intake heaters, look like a sparkplug but have a heat coil rather than a gap and no ignition coil to pop it. Most of those did not work all that well and have long been discontinued where a ether spray in the intake works batter for firing chamber heating during a starting roll.
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Karanger ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 2016 Location: UK Points: 8 |
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Can't get my pics loaded up of the heater which is a pain
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everett048 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: uk Points: 619 |
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D Miller it is the one with the spark plug ignitor in it.
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Karanger ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 2016 Location: UK Points: 8 |
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Yes, it's sparks then diesel is sprayed over it to flame it
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CAL(KS) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Location: Chapman, KS Points: 3800 |
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i found this info. not sure what you are needing
Heater operation for M1 Tractor (military HD10) pdf starting pg 18. also these parts book pics from HD5 with heater similiar to what you should have ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20
Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
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Karanger ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 2016 Location: UK Points: 8 |
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All the parts are the same but it looks like it's fitted different to on my hd7.
Would like parts from the last page which is part 4 and 7. 1115485 ignition coil 5569546 insulator assembly |
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michale34 ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 2011 Location: arkansas Points: 472 |
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how did that little canister thing on the dash with a cap and chain on it work. I have never seen it used
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Karanger ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 2016 Location: UK Points: 8 |
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Not sure what chain you are talking about?
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CAL(KS) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Location: Chapman, KS Points: 3800 |
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gotta love google. according to google searching. those are GM part #'s and I found interchange #'s maby something still available
cap and chain cannister was for ether capsules.. before bottle or can spray systems Im guessing near impossible to find insulator piece, but maby a modern coil could be fitted to work.
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Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20
Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
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Karanger ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 2016 Location: UK Points: 8 |
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The coil has build in points on the top so it's hard to find a stand in coil that you could easy make fit
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Dozer ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 16 Aug 2011 Location: SW New York Points: 689 |
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how did that little canister thing on the dash with a cap and chain on it work. I have never seen it used
A rubber ball containing ether is put in the canister. When the top is installed the ball is punctured. The dash mounted injector is pumped to move the ether to the intake manifold. I had an HD7 with this system. |
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michale34 ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 2011 Location: arkansas Points: 472 |
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thanks dozer I had no idea I use to think the used carbide or something . I guess the spray cans took the place of it
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Ian Beale ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 03 Oct 2011 Location: New South Wales Points: 993 |
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Those ether systems were used on other AC gear - the 45 graders had a similar system. And the manuals suggest the capsule was gelatine.
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michale34 ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 2011 Location: arkansas Points: 472 |
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I think i saw a can a while back that looked like a old school brake fluid metal can with screw top that was empty that said something like surefire on it i bet that is what came in that .
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michale34 ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 2011 Location: arkansas Points: 472 |
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I have heard some old guys talking about taking some carbide and spitting on it and sticking it next to the air breather to start diesels back in the day
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Ray54 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Paso Robles, Ca Points: 4709 |
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That was the first way they sold it. Uncle talked of putting a little in pump oil can and spray down the intake. But would evaporate out of oil can,so put unused part back in screw top can and close it good and tight. Capsules were the next to keep them from evaporating,were ok if you had the set up to us them. He said once someone saw the spray cans everything else was forgotten very soon. |
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 33682 |
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Carbide rock makes acetylene gas when wet, we use it for killing moles by dropping down in their runs GASSEM!! Would be interesting as to setting a fire in a Detroit intake, never considered it was done, did use gasoline in a squirt oil can when can ether or capsules was unavailable, just have to be light touch to the trigger. Gas on a rag does almost as well just need two people.
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