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    Posted: 04 Jun 2021 at 7:39pm
Our Hayfield has already got seed at the top of it because of how wet it's been lately and unable to cut. I need to get it cut soon while the forecast is dry the next couple days I'm hoping. If I were to cut it tomorrow without having any kind of crimper or conditioner can it just lay flat as it's been cut for more than a few days? The reason I ask is because the next couple days are dry but then it shows rain in the forecast again so I don't want to cut it and then have it be wasted if getting rained on a couple days will ruin it?
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It actually shows rain every day this coming week so I'm tempted to and probably will wait till the following weekend of the 12th of June to cut because it looks more like a dry pattern may persist then...
It's only about a 3 acre field but I'll make small square bales from it and use it to finish one of my bulls going to the cut house later this fall

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1)A crimper or conditioner significantly reduces drying time vs just using a sickle bar because it crushes the stems exposing more of the crop to air. In NY, we always used to mow 1 day with the haybine set at the widest swath setting and then would be able to rake up and bale the following afternoon. Running a tedder (we never did) speeds up drying time even more.
2)That same crushing action also significantly increases the nutritional value of any crop when feeding since more of it is more readily exposed during digestion. 
For these 2 reasons, whether you decide to mow now or wait another week, I would most definitely recommend the mower/conditioner combo over just a sickle mower.
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trying to out guess the weather is always part of making hay. 
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You mentioned for a bull? If you are sending to slaughter, I wouldn’t want high quality hay going through that animal and taint the meat? We grain finish steers, last few weeks before market are only allowed the worst quality hay/straw to be in their system. Now— if you are using that bull for breeding is another story. Just trying to understand the hay’s purpose. In our case— high quality goes to horses, goats, sheep, rabbits, dairy stock, lowest quality goes as a supplement to finishing beef, closer to market date, less protein and some pretty rough stuff. Helps make your choices of when to cut hay.
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Great he'll get just sickle cut first cutting, I always grain finish mine also

I do have a rear spline on my 77t I could run a crimper on just don't have one yet!

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Before hay conditioners/crimpers, 3 good drying days, from cutting to baling.
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Ok thanks for info, my scenario with taller hay right now works great for wanting to finish him to go to burger/ steaks then nicely ( I always give best grain with lots of corn to em for last 6 weeks and limit there area down to a smaller area so less walking
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If I were to cut today or tomorrow and it gets rained on 3 times this coming week does that ruin hay( cut-90° day, followed by 3-5 days of 60% t storm chances, then if after gotten rained on 3 days or more dried or just wait one more week to cut?)it's a wet week ahead but hot/ dry this weekend which would cut nice but then get rained/ possibly heavy w/t storms prediction I'm tempted to wait one more week...
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You run across the darnedest things in life......I’ve been around beef cattle most of my life, missing 9 years 23-32. Though in that period, I had a friend who raised beef cattle.

Never once in my life have I heard about quality hay tainting meat. What is that all about?
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I guess everyone has their own process— my thoughts are deer meat is strong, acorn fed deer are stronger flavored. 4 months of strait grain on fat cattle is sweet but they get loose and rate of gain drops. Corn fodder and grain work well together for us. On the other extreme is green alfalfa chop. Around here, people are pushing finished cattle as free ranged grass fed which is terrible tough meat in my opinion. I prefer a sweet flavored grain fed beef and that is what we produce. Not saying what is right or wrong just an opinion based on the way we have finished cattle for 60 years.
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Biggest problem with getting rained on and laying would be the possibility of mold.
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Originally posted by allisbred allisbred wrote:

I guess everyone has their own process— my thoughts are deer meat is strong, acorn fed deer are stronger flavored. 4 months of strait grain on fat cattle is sweet but they get loose and rate of gain drops. Corn fodder and grain work well together for us. On the other extreme is green alfalfa chop. Around here, people are pushing finished cattle as free ranged grass fed which is terrible tough meat in my opinion. I prefer a sweet flavored grain fed beef and that is what we produce. Not saying what is right or wrong just an opinion based on the way we have finished cattle for 60 years.

I’ll post “our way” a little later, but first a question: by corn fodder you mean dry product and not silage...correct?
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Yes— for the fat cattle ( over 900 lbs) the mix is 10 buckets of raw soy beans, 1/3 mix of barley, and finish the load with ear corn and a bag of minerals. They get (1) round bale of roughage- dry corn fodder, straw, or poor quality hay.

I’m sorry we pulled this off topic, point being to decide what the OP needs to use as a finished product.

Tbone— I would like to see some methods maybe on a new post of what others use for finishing beef as the one outlined is expensive even though we grow & harvest our own grain.
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Rather than taking this thread over I started another on the Barns and Varmints section. I titled it Hay  but just edited to Hay and other feed stuffs. Hope everyone will put their thoughts in about feeding. Any part of livestock feeding would good by me. 
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Ok, so I've decided to wait till this weekend ( rain/storms chances of 60-70%) every day this week here in ne Ohio
So my tentative plan now is to sickle bar cut Sunday(13th).
Should I just let lay as it were cut for 3 days as long as no rain, rake it on Tuesday evening or Wednesday Evening, bale it following day? ( No Tedder)      
Thanks Matt

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Now I need to know any tricks to get the super young deer out of our hay field before I cut? It's the only other downfall to waiting this long to cut the first cutting, they always seem to like this field to have them in and in my experience when they're that young only a couple days old it's almost impossible to see them and they won't move unless you literally almost kicked them... I also don't want to go walk through the whole field and trample it down because then my sickle bar mower won't cut it good...
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Start carrying a 38 with you, or run them through the mower. If not, your problem will double next year. I have gotten off, chased them out, had one turn around last year after running to the woods, guess wanted a close look of the crimping rollers. It’s sad and makes a mess to clean up, but just a fact. In Pa, they only allow 1 deer, most hunters will not even waste the time on a doe. I even give deer management tags out to the hunters and still don’t get used.
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Hmmm, have 38 and others...
I harvest Atleast 1 doe per year but mostly it's a timing thing( don't see them ever in this field till June and it got away from me this year so now there in there)
Full grown deer will run but super young ones are varied on if they'll run or hunker down when drove up on...

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IF you worry about wildlife----- you will NEVER cut your hay!!! Quit messin around and just cut it! Too much damn wildlife on this planet---- a few meeting their demise wont make a dent in the overpopulation problem!
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It goes a bit deeper than that. A couple years ago there was a deer that didn't make it out of the field and ended up destroying a farmer friend's square baler.(which will be bailing it again so I'm trying to look out for his equipment also) the deer parts unknowingly were in multiple hay bales and created a nasty situation which attracts flies and then maggots in your hay. I'm not concerned about so much the wildlife but ruining my old equipment.(I am a hunter and harvest a few throughout the year for meat)Secondly if you didn't like the subject you shouldn't have replied...
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Not trying to be harsh, but I have about 30-50 resident deer. They eat everything good (corn, beans, my garden)lay down and mash some more, crap on good hay that makes it useless if I don’t stop and remove it from the row. Always getting hit by vehicle’s which most likely has impact on my insurance premiums. I allow hunters and encourage no wasted animals. Sometimes things that are a nuisance need to be addressed when the time permits & most visible. Usually mowing hay and combining brings them out. Only trying to give advice based on my opinion, it’s always your option.
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LOL about the wildlife.  I'm no farmer (5 acres) but I have had a D-15 for 30 years and post questions infrequently....anyway, I let about three acres go until last night, and like you, I was on the lookout for deer since a doe has been hanging around.  I'm peering into the next  swath with each pass of the tractor and a duck jumps up right in front of the tractor so I go around the nest and eggs (something got all but one by this morning).  Next, a TINY, TINY fawn jumps up and runs into the tree line....almost ran over it!

Not to mention how many meadowlark nests and other ground nesting birds I must have killed.  Hate to do it but like the other guys says....if you worry about the critters.  You'll never cut it.

One observation.  Years ago, in another life, when I DID cut hay, I learned that starting in the middle and working out avoided the situation where you herd all the little critters into a diminishing area until you do have to cut it.  Working from the inside out, they can get into the tree line.
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Question about baling green/wet hay..... I am a retired firefighter, we used to have one or two barn fires a year before the advent of conditioners as people would cut/bale hay before it had dried and then stacked in barn where it would get hot and combust.  With using the conditioners, dry time has significantly decreased and that along with round bales, the instances of barn fires from spontaneous combustion has greatly been reduced.   So the question is, why do we not see many fires with round bales, is it that they are stored apart and outside to they don't generate heat, or is it a funtion of the conditioners drying the hay so much better?
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We had this discussion about a year ago and a few folks talked of them catching fire in certain areas. I have never seen it and have bailed anything that would take string, wet, marginal, during rain, even snowed corn stalks one year. I thought fire needed oxogen and the rounds seem to prevent that. Now that we are selling more good round bales, I am cautiously watching moisture to see what the limit is. I baled some 18.5% grass last year without preserver and the bales were good in Feb without any dust or color loss. I just started using a moisture checker the last few years when selling out of the field to show what it is. Know that I am doing a better job as have much more dust coming off the Baler than past years.
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I too believe a round bale typically doesn't burn if wet because it doesn't get enough oxygen.  I bought some hay a few years ago that when I opened it was hot to the touch and there was black in it, so dang close to burning.  Had been baled ~ 8 months or so at that time, stored stacked in a shed.
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Okay so getting back to this, I think I'm going to cut the field this afternoon we got a little bit of rain on it this morning and if I get any more rain on it how do I know when I should rake it? I do not have a tedder
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As usual you folks know I will have a opinion too.
I will quote my dad. In most cases of farm work dont wait for it to rain! You maybe waiting a long time. Unsettled weather like we are getting now can mean rain down the road and none at your house/ farm.
Not the end of the world if it gets rinsed! A tedder is a great tool.
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Originally posted by Hunt4Allis Hunt4Allis wrote:

Okay so getting back to this, I think I'm going to cut the field this afternoon we got a little bit of rain on it this morning and if I get any more rain on it how do I know when I should rake it? I do not have a tedder

If you don’t use a Tedder, I would not touch it until it is crispy dry. Raking hay with green clumps seems to slow down the process. I never want hay in windrows until the day I bale. If I rake one day and bale the next day, I’ve most likely made a mistake that can cost dearly. In my area, the windrows pull moisture overnight from the ground, and take longer to dry the next day.

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And my twin head mower just broke 1/2 way done with field

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