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klinemar 
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Posted: 21 Mar 2019 at 5:39am |
I just bought a new Pickup truck and with the price I will keep it as usual as long as I can. I had a previous truck Ziebart rustproofed and was not impressed. I see and hear about oil based rustproofing. Any one on the forum have experience ,pros or cons ? I know I will get opinions as everybody has those ! I replaced a 2002 GMC which gave good service but was starting to show road cancer. It had never been undercoated but had been taken immaculate care of by the previous owner before I bought it. I live on a gravel road and drive a lot on winter roads so salt is not my friend !
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 21 Mar 2019 at 6:03am |
You can't get 'oil' based rustproofing up here, thanks 'greenies' BUT I have to admit the Earth friendly stuff works very well. My '97 F150 is still solid and Ontario dumps a LOT of salt ! What worked for me is late summer, power wash entire truck, especialy underneath 2-3 times in 3-4 days, let dry real good THEN get complete 'oil spraying' done ($150 up here). drive on a dusty for awhile,say on the way home . Buy 3-4 cans of 'Rustcheck' (2-red,2 grn) and a week later , crawl under truck and touchup the spots the pros missed. They won't get real close to brakes or mufflers AND won't get between back of bumpers and front of frames. Also lay it on at the base of the rad support and A/T lines. Never ever go through a car wash that sprays the underside of the truck !! Sounds obvios but that WILL remove your protection !! Always go back or DIY 'touchups' every 1-2 years, based on mileage driven. Also, clean out the drainage holes in wheel lips ! , bottom of doors and rockers !!! Over time dust/dirt/water/gunk fills them in and rust WILL form ! get RID of the Foam in the wheelwells !! They act as SPONGES..
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klinemar
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Posted: 21 Mar 2019 at 6:29am |
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I searched a Canadian Product called Corrosion Free. Thanks Jay for the info I will check it out!
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Posted: 21 Mar 2019 at 11:21am |
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CRC makes a product called SP-400.
LPS3 is also a wax based corrosion inhibitor that last for about a year.
They soak into any rust and turn to wax.
It's what VW owners use to "oil the frame".
Needs to be done before each winter.
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tadams(OH)
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Posted: 21 Mar 2019 at 12:41pm |
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Yes most of them undercaoting needs to be redone every year
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Posted: 22 Mar 2019 at 1:04am |
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buy rust insurance, Dodge offers it...dunno about other brands. prolly be less work and about the same money?
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klinemar
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Posted: 22 Mar 2019 at 10:23pm |
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Does rust insurance pay to move to a warmer climate say Arizona or New Mexico where your Snow Machine can't find me?
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DMiller
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Posted: 23 Mar 2019 at 8:14am |
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My 99 ford is turning into a mid 70s Chevy, rust in large patches where had pockets the dirt and salt could accumulate but not leave. Every machine will rust, just some will take longer. Had a car with undercoat, rusted where could not see it until that section of undercoat fell away. Have seen the spray on stuff where the best choice is just detail clean the machines regularly.
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AllisFreak MN
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Posted: 23 Mar 2019 at 1:07pm |
 DMiller wrote:
My 99 ford is turning into a mid 70s Chevy, rust in large patches where had pockets the dirt and salt could accumulate but not leave. Every machine will rust, just some will take longer. Had a car with undercoat, rusted where could not see it until that section of undercoat fell away. Have seen the spray on stuff where the best choice is just detail clean the machines regularly. |
Your Ferd's turning into a Chevy? Sounds like an improvement! 
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Posted: 23 Mar 2019 at 10:09pm |
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I've listened to several independent body repairmen thru the years and they all said that rust proofing (or trying to) any vehicle is worthless and usually speeds up the problem. I've never done it so I don't know, just passing on what they all said.
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 24 Mar 2019 at 6:19am |
Shameless, the 'kid'(55) who rents from me is a phenomenal 'body and paint' guy,who should be restoring for museums. If you can find the work he's done on my '97 F150 I will give you all of my A-Cs, he's that good ! He does a LOT of collision repairs and only goes through a single gallon of 'bondo' a year as he does the repairs right, remove mangled metal,replace with OEM tin, skim cost,base,clear.... He has always preached about getting cars 'oil sprayed'. Current project he's parting out, a 2010, yes, an EIGHT year old Ford. It nicely drove here into the shop last week. We yanked off the cab with my A-C forklift and put 4.6/tranny into guy's pickup...rest goes to scrapyard as it was never oil sprayed. I did te math and last year he parted/scrapped over a MILLION bucks worth of pickups, How people can buy 40,50,90K$ rides and NOT spend $100/year to keep them solid by oil spraying is beyond me. My ride is still solid(cept for the rad support) and we get a LOT of salt on the roads here. Your 'bodymen' are only protecting their jobs.
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Bill_MN
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Posted: 25 Mar 2019 at 3:10pm |
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Rustproofing is just that- preventing it in the first place. Ideally, you would rustproof any vehicle when brand new. Spraying anything over rust on a used vehicle will not help much. I've never had a use for either but I've heard POR-15 and Mastercoat chassis paint are both very good coatings. Did get some POR-15 top coat to touch up some rusty spots under my truck, should slow it down some. The main thing with some of these trucks with fully boxed frames is getting the inside of the channels somehow. Have seen some kits with a long straw that sprays to the sides that you stick through a hole in the frame and feed it along, but again you have to get it clean first. Spraying just the outside of a boxed frame will still let it rust inside out.
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 25 Mar 2019 at 3:41pm |
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Just hauled a 2010 F150 to the scrapyard. It drove here friday, pulled engie/tranny, hood, couple other parts. Box fenders were history. What really blew our minds was that sections of the box support/stiffeners were...welll.. MISSING !! rust rotted away !! This truck had only seen 7 winters here, low mileage too. Good news is Ford FINALLY bolts cab onto frame the GM way...4 bolts from the bottom. We remove cab to get to engine/tranny.
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Posted: 25 Mar 2019 at 8:42pm |
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Jay...I was referring to they spray on tar looking stuff, like the one that they drill holes in the body, stick a nozzle in and spray, then put a plastic plug in the hole they drilled. and the rattle can stuff, I've never heard of oiling. what kinda oil and how often? I do think that "line-X" might be o-k if done right away when vehicle is new. there was another kind I saw at a farm show, it looked good, but then I saw several years later the metal rusted away under the spray on and the spray on was still there, just no good to anyone/anything! it was just sprayed on top. people do silly things!
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Posted: 25 Mar 2019 at 9:30pm |
old time 'oil spraying' is ,well, old engine oil sprayed on then take a trip down dusty gravel road. That's kinda frowned upon by the 'greenies', so today they use some kind of 'friendly' waxes... Us older crazy Canucks still call that 'oil spraying'. I get 2-4 spray bombs of 'Rust Check' and go over the truck every 2-3 years to top coat, as I don't drive much. For a '97 she's good and solid. Better than the 2010 that I hauled off today ! ANY oily,slimy,waxy 'stuff' you can put on metal is a LOT better than having it rust. Trick is to power wash 2-3 times , get it dry, then 'oil spray' after that do NOT take to car wash and clean the bottom....
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Posted: 25 Mar 2019 at 10:27pm |
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There's a company that I looked into think it's called NHoil undercoating. Iv just have been spraying whatever can of oil is on the bench in my door and rocker drains.
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Posted: 25 Mar 2019 at 11:19pm |
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My Mom would once a year park over the side ditch along the road, scoot under and spray the underside of any vehicle they owned with linseed oil from a pump sprayer. Seemed to work OK. Has an 1986 Dodge pickup that looks real nice yet. Since she's over 90 now I'd have to ask if she would be interested in doing some for you guys. And at what price. LOL
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Posted: 26 Mar 2019 at 8:36pm |
Ziebart and the others that are waxed based are crap. Your truck will look good, but will be rotten above the undercoating, LOL.
I don't know if they have it in the states, but up here in Canada we swear by Krown. It is the same stuff you can by in spray cans and it is a penetrating fluid/lubricant. It also safe in electrical. We use it on the plow and salt trucks. Nothing rusts, it creeps, displaces water and no bolts or hardware are ever seized.
I think it cost me around $150 to have my pickup done and that was with their de-salt wash that neutralizes the effects of the salt and chlorides they use on the roads here.
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