Critique this port work.
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Topic: Critique this port work.
Posted By: mgburchard
Subject: Critique this port work.
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2014 at 1:56pm
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Posted By: Larry(OH)
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2014 at 2:08pm
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Looks good to me and would be a good mate to the cam you got from me. Put it with a down draft 2V on it, a header, and I bet she'll run nice. Most likely not real good to go slow with ------------- '40 WC puller,'50 WD puller,'50 M puller '65 770 Ollie *ALLIS EXPRESS contact* I can explain it to you, BUT I cannot understand it for you!! |
Posted By: mgburchard
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2014 at 2:22pm
| Larry that cam shaft has been sold for nearly two years now .I wouldn't waste time on a two barrel when panks got a 4 inch toilet |
Posted By: patrickmull
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2014 at 3:32pm
| that is wi50 head he has on facebook for sell |
Posted By: mgburchard
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2014 at 3:36pm
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patrickmull wrote:Posted By: wi50
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2014 at 4:40pm
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Well, if you look at the intake valve to plug pocket, the head with the nice port work has much larger valves. It also has a stainless wire o ring. The valves are seated higher on the head in the first picture, rather than sunk in as on your second picture. This allows the valve to start flowing earlier and improves flow at low to mid lifts. Again, much more experience in the top picture. Look at a fine example of a venturi effect in the cuts under the seat angles in that first picture. ------------- "see what happens when you have no practical experience doing something...... you end up playing with calculators and looking stupid on the internet" |
Posted By: Ken(MI)
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2014 at 4:49pm
| Does every Southern Machinist use a rusty framing square to measure? That's a dandy right there.... |
Posted By: mgburchard
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2014 at 4:53pm
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Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2014 at 6:34pm
Dividers are used for scribing lines, arcs or drawing circles set with a scale or rusty tape measure and used to transfer that measurement to your work   ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: wi50
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2014 at 6:42pm
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Don't worry guys, pank knows the "mazak language" ------------- "see what happens when you have no practical experience doing something...... you end up playing with calculators and looking stupid on the internet" |
Posted By: mgburchard
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2014 at 7:14pm
Guys what about the port work? As for dividers they come in inside and outside as well I guess you have to recognize this logo to understand the language http://s738.photobucket.com/user/pankeyc/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20141002_182243367_zps3bf5e96c.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: patrickmull
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2014 at 7:40pm
| same pic that is on facebook http://https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1475346142742460&set=pcb.391008294385950&type=1&theater" rel="nofollow - http://https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1475346142742460&set=pcb.391008294385950&type=1&theater |
Posted By: mgburchard
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2014 at 7:47pm
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Posted By: patrickmull
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2014 at 7:52pm
| its the same pic of the head that marty has for sell on there go look |
Posted By: mgburchard
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2014 at 8:01pm
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Posted By: patrickmull
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2014 at 8:10pm
| different yet head no ring groove |
Posted By: mgburchard
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2014 at 8:13pm
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Posted By: patrickmull
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2014 at 8:19pm
| so you're saying marty got his head from pank I don't think so |
Posted By: mgburchard
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2014 at 8:25pm
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Posted By: patrickmull
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2014 at 8:50pm
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no way |
Posted By: mgburchard
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2014 at 9:00pm
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Posted By: Butch(OH)
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2014 at 9:09pm
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How are we supposed to critique the port work Pank? By how shiny and smooth it is? First job given to an apprentice in a Iron foundry is grinding away casting flash. Looks like you passed first day die grinder at the foundry. I can coment on the valve jobs. The person who preformed the seat work on the first head has played around with a flow bench and knows that valves flow best when seated high,either that or he was just lucky and that's where they came out how would I know? We were taught even in trade school that a person doesn't want to sink valves such as was done on the head in picture #2 as it will affect flow even on a normal rebuild, let alone performance applications. Next time Pank give me a shout as I am tooled up to install seats and can bring those valves back up to the correct height for you. Seat work aside I have no opinion of the work. Shiny appeals to Crows and Squirrels but gains nothing in a port. Big impresses the girls but doesnt directly translate to HP out of a porting job either. I have seen some fancy looking work that didnt build power. How much power was made with the heads at what cubic inch? What did they flow on the bench? As for what they look like in a picture? Who cares.
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Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2014 at 9:57pm
I guess you don't know SQUAT about measuring tools either cause the inside and outside measuring devices you are talking about are called calipers.  Description6" Inside and Outside Spring Calipers are a shop necessity for measuring inside and outside diameters. Often space is too tight to get an accurate measurement using a scale-type measuring tool. The spring calipers allow the user to transfer the dimensions of a workpiece to a scaled device.------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2014 at 9:59pm
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I was a card carrying member of the IAM B4 you could walk and have worked as a machinist and tool maker and machine repairman for over 40 years ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Ken(MI)
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2014 at 6:07am
| And it just keeps getting better..... |
Posted By: Butch(OH)
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2014 at 6:15am
A person must learn in steps Ken. Remember the pulling hitch build, rear wheel cuts and oil cooler installation photos? At least now they have acquired SOMETHING to measure with  When they clean the rust off of that square they will be able to direct read in 1/8" increments and if they can see good they can eyeball down to a smidgen or maybe even a hair.
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Posted By: Ken(MI)
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2014 at 7:33am
I'm not really sure what the display of a Union Logo has to do with anything, I've known many guys that I would be proud to hold the oil can for that never had a Union card. If we are going to show logos, let's do it attached to an item that stands for something. Here's my logo, attached to my diploma and dues book, now let's see what Pank and mgburchard have to offer since they started this, another challenge if you will Gents?? 
You don't get one of these pretending in the backyard or your Buddies shop, you either have it or you don't, since you claim to have Union status of what you know, lets see it... I'm guessing it's going to be like the Gleason.
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Posted By: mgburchard
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2014 at 4:14pm
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Ken I don't know why I play your silly games but I do http://s738.photobucket.com/user/pankeyc/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG950998_2_zps1a59b95f.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  Check mate stubby ,lol |
Posted By: O.P.S. Heads
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2014 at 7:59pm
| I don't see anyone's name on it. Hold up on the check mate. |
Posted By: Butch(OH)
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2014 at 3:52pm
Because silly games is the primary reason you are here to begin with Pank. Such as why post a picture you took from Marty's facebook page and post it here without saying so? Too bad the ploy didnt work. The Experts work got picked out As did the wannabe's Where is the two wire Gleason you claimed to own and operate? Liar
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Posted By: mgburchard
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2014 at 4:23pm
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Posted By: the tractor shop
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2014 at 4:30pm
| lmao |
Posted By: wi50
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2014 at 6:44pm
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http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=41321 Neat, these experts think that a 1930's era Leroi cylinder head is a Honda Moto Gp....a well researched and designs factory head.....don't touch it. Now that's funny, almost as funny as pankey and chad putting their heads together. One lies, the other steals. Which one is which? ------------- "see what happens when you have no practical experience doing something...... you end up playing with calculators and looking stupid on the internet" |
Posted By: mgburchard
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2014 at 6:55pm
| Its your lie .your saying you have head with larger valves but have all kinds of post on here that Pankey uses to big a valve . so which is it . is it Panks head with large valves or do you lie about valve size on here . by the way who is stalking who ? Feel free to stalk over there you can see Pankey has had a lot of input on that head from forum over years probably even see some neat computer generated flow curves |
Posted By: Butch(OH)
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2014 at 8:25pm
Well Marty we have made a lot of headway this week on the ole A-C page at least Pank finally admitted that engine one was not his build as he had claimed and after he called Andy a liar for how long? He even just admitted that he tells lies on here just for giggles, I guess we can quit asking him to show us the Gleason now? LOL Later |
Posted By: wi50
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2014 at 8:31pm
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I don't put much stock in what people say on various forums. Success stories, reputations, etc mean something. Computer generated Mumbo-Jumbo copied and pasted really doesn't mean you know what you're talking about. It just means you can push buttons and click a mouse. This is why you're showing off my work asking for advice. Chad sending you pictures to claim are your own is absolutely hilarious. Can you two think on your own? Where are you fellas success stories? The only proof is ka boom, he took my money, etc type of stories. I at least hope you enjoy watching others succeed. That's as close as you're going to get. ------------- "see what happens when you have no practical experience doing something...... you end up playing with calculators and looking stupid on the internet" |
Posted By: mgburchard
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2014 at 8:34pm
| What you reading butch. Your mind lieing pank had that Leroy head back before 2010 when wifi came around forums . Oh butch work union live better proof is in the check stubby. Pankey your the man , |
Posted By: Butch(OH)
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2014 at 8:40pm
Same thing everyone else on here reads except you I guess? |
Posted By: mgburchard
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2014 at 8:44pm
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Posted By: wi50
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2014 at 8:48pm
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If a guy looks back, searches old posts, I'm the one telling pank that the LeRoi casting is superior to the allis.....go look up some old posts boys. He argues that he "doesn't have one". Well, either a lie, or he's following in my footsteps. Proof is in the pudding they say. I was running the LeRoi head all those years. I never used anything else. The cealing is higher in them and the exhaust port is shaped better. With work, they flow better than the allis castings can. For one highly modified like I made, its the best choice of cores to start with. ------------- "see what happens when you have no practical experience doing something...... you end up playing with calculators and looking stupid on the internet" |
Posted By: wi50
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2014 at 8:54pm
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I didn't move the intake valve centers on this, didn't have to with the porting, and by doing so the valves would get moved closer to the bore. Less room for valve, more shrouding. I've moved the valves on other heads, where the induction system is limited, its beneficial on those to get the valve in better alignment with the port, and generally speaking the valve size is fsirley small when induction system is limited by a certain manifold or carburetor. ------------- "see what happens when you have no practical experience doing something...... you end up playing with calculators and looking stupid on the internet" |
Posted By: mgburchard
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2014 at 9:08pm
| Yep go look boys you'll find Pankey was in forum before WiFi. You'll find WiFi quoting one of panks quotes when he first shows the header . WiFi been using panks stuff from get go . Pankey says leroi head leaks .WiFi WC blows steam at end of pull. While looking and searching old post .search tractors using nitrous a lot of comments on pull off as well as yt and other sites that it's the only way a tractor from Wisconsin can be made to run . yeap in the turbo classes to.I have to agree with WiFi on posts though panks old head looks nothing like Honda gp head. So yep can't believe all post but can believe published authors like Pankey |
Posted By: the tractor shop
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2014 at 4:05pm
| marty, my responce to your lunacy is on my facebook page. chad steininger. |
Posted By: wi50
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2014 at 5:05pm
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Im guessing you boys upset you got caught with your hands in the cookie jar, violated policy and were removed. That's to bad, get some counseling from pankey, he knows all about getting removed....in fact I bet him posting lies, my pictures without my consent and without giving me credit violate the policies here also. Don't worry, anytime any of us used panks pictures we always gave him proper credit, used as an exams of what not to do, etc. While its funny for some, I myself don't have much time for the drama. I will however throw some more pictures of the project up on here later when o get to a desktop computer. At least you boys will be able to see them then. ------------- "see what happens when you have no practical experience doing something...... you end up playing with calculators and looking stupid on the internet" |
Posted By: the tractor shop
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2014 at 5:19pm
| who was removed and by who? i just posted on there not more than 2hrs ago on the antique pulling forum. go see! lmao. u know what u can do with ur calculator dont ya? |
Posted By: wi50
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2014 at 11:34am
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For those of you who would like to see some pictures without them getting stolen and some nitwit claiming that he did it..... I had this head under the bench for a while, the other day I put some pictures up on a website of it for sale allong with some other parts, knowing that no one is going to buy it it made for a humorous advertisement. Then a few guys commented and quite a storm brewed leading to a few people getting removed.  showing an original casting and the modified casting manifold face.  Showing the original casting and the modified one laying at the same angle to show intake port allignment.  Here you can see how I formed a teardrop shape on the short side radius. The hole in the port is simply angled 25* one way and 15* another way and tapped 1/8" pipe thread for an injector nozzle. The origianl ports were widened significantly and there is a wedge built in between them to split the ports out as far as I can go before starting to sacrafice any cross sectional area or cause problems with port velocity. I probably won't give to many specifics, but it'll flow up over 300 cfm a bit when testing and working on things. LIke any project, proper planning before starting is the key. I'll put up some more pictures sometime of how I fill, where I cut the access holes. ------------- "see what happens when you have no practical experience doing something...... you end up playing with calculators and looking stupid on the internet" |
Posted By: wi50
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2014 at 11:54am
This will show the alignment of the valve bowl to the port somewhat. I built this to hold water, though the engine won't use any coolant, if I ever finish it. We'll see, I'm to busy with the light super stock NTPA tractor to do much with this anymore. Light super seams to take my time and money...though if I had a paycheck like that paystub on page 1 it might be enough to pay my income tax and buy a candy bar, but not billet turbochagers or pro mag 44's for ignition, or any of the fun stuff. ------------- "see what happens when you have no practical experience doing something...... you end up playing with calculators and looking stupid on the internet" |
Posted By: the tractor shop
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2014 at 1:17pm
| with as many "headjobs" you do, there is no proof that that is the head in question. just like no proof i did anything other than your sneak mole saying so. i have no doubt in my mind, that one of u bought the head from mitch and did a lil more to it n claimed it. ol andy is famous for that and i know it for a fact. im glad u read my facebook post. hope it sinks in some day. you say, you dont like drama? you got the dress on for the biggest drama queen i even seen. oh yes, your bs got me tossed today, of couse, andy is a self professed professional and is moderator on there. you dont fight fair miss. come on, im the one who can prove your lie, so silence me. |
Posted By: the tractor shop
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2014 at 1:25pm
| that truck head "unstylish" has on yt for sale, he got that from me. and looky whats going on now. back stabbing me over me being freinds with mitch. andy got kicked out of this shop by dad many years ago for trying to get a sneak peak at how we built our posi kits. but before that, he was hangin with me at all the pulls i went to begging for information. just like he did with mitch and brought to you and u did a lil more to it n bam, a wifi classic. well good for you miss! when andy figured out it alot of work to clearence a farmall, he quickly went to another color, he went to kurt hammel, then to mitch. tell me im wrong andy. you knw where the shop is, you ate at our table with us. i hope your social status is well worth all the backstabbing theiving ways buddy. hope u choke on the money i made u for getting you that head. |
Posted By: Ihateillinoisnazis
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2014 at 2:31pm
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Oh snap, this storm is getting real. You southern phucks must have had a soft year in the fields, shouldn't y'all be pickin cotton? Mitch attended the Hellen Keller school of welding, you really think he can do port work like shown in the example? Where's the Goeason snitch? |
Posted By: mgburchard
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2014 at 2:50pm
| A couple of post back the Leroi head was rare . now they must be plentiful post shows how many heads now ? I do wonder who the mole is WiFi ran a two barrel now he has a head fixed for injection after Mitch talked to alky digger last week . go ahead and show Jamison's crankshaft as yours to . |
Posted By: Ihateillinoisnazis
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2014 at 5:21pm
| Lol, you think Marty just put this together last week? This pile of parts has been around since at least 06. I was hoping day care wouldn't have started until after gordyville looks like you guys got a head start this year. Hey snitch, got any vids of your tractors running this year? |
Posted By: mgburchard
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2014 at 5:37pm
| Yes I posted mine in farm section going to pull grandkids on hay ride in a few days |
Posted By: Ihateillinoisnazis
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2014 at 6:07pm
Pulling grand kids... Takes some serious headwork to accomplish that eh? |
Posted By: mgburchard
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2014 at 6:09pm
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Posted By: Ihateillinoisnazis
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2014 at 7:03pm
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Who finds it really funny that Mitch the Snitch ratted his buddy Chad out over on that other forum? Idk what's worse, taking the meth rock away from hookers in the trailer park or watching these two in-breads argue about a head they have never seen. The only race Mitch and Chad ever won is the race to their mothers egg, dad shoulda let that one go somewhere else.
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Posted By: ACFarmer
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2014 at 9:08pm
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Lol, you know it's a losing battle when they have to bring in somebody else to help fight the fight..... Seems that 2 more names could be banned off of this forum and we wouldn't be loosing a thing. ------------- Making A living everyday farming with and working on Allis Equipment |
Posted By: wi50
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2014 at 9:18pm
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Its always fun to watch a meltdown. As they say train wrecks are good for business. Though I'm still waiting for someone to poop in my gas tank as they claimed they were going to do, I bet they're full of.....see, I can be funny and insulting at the same time. Now on the serious side of things, that cylinder head isn't for a pulling tractor. In life I've got certain things I always wanted to do, one is run light super stock for a while and the other is to set a land speed record, or make a dang good attempt at it. I have no idea how many years its going to take, but I'm going to run in Bonneville, and I'm going to do it with some junk that was designed in the 1930's ------------- "see what happens when you have no practical experience doing something...... you end up playing with calculators and looking stupid on the internet" |
Posted By: Carl(NWWI)
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2014 at 11:40pm
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I find it funny how every time we go through this one here, Marty provides fact, specs, pictures, and also as a team of people backing his facts and work, and best part of all is most of us have his work on our running tractors, that pull, and crazy as it may seem to you fried brain TN nuts, tractors that win. Had head work done by him on my 301 diesel, night and day difference. Beat 16 tractors my first time out with it, finishing in second place. And the best part of all, was he actually took time out of his schedule to work on it with me there and teach me something. The more this goes on the more people back his work and have proof. So where's your proof tough guys? Where's you team of customers backing your work? Imaginary of course. |
Posted By: Butch(OH)
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2014 at 7:46am
Unbelievable aint it? I seriously wonder about radiation leaks down there,,,,
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Posted By: Ken(MI)
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2014 at 9:21am
| I realize that I may be a slow Yankee, but I'm still looking all over for inside and outside dividers to measure with, E-bay has been no help at all. As for the "silly games" thing, who posted that picture of the IAM logo in an effort to make us believe that there is some level of competency associated with it? I did see a pay stub with a deduction for Union dues, and a job description of HVAC technician (do HVAC guys need to have plumbing skills?), but once again I'm wondering what that skill has to do with being competent as a Machinist (there is a lot of hot air moving, maybe, that's the need for HVAC)). I was expecting a Journeyman's card or a diploma. The UAW, IAM, CIO, and most other unions represent Secretarial and Janitorial staff, but that doesn't make those members anything other than what they are...... Does it????? |