ALLIS V SERIES ENGINES
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Topic: ALLIS V SERIES ENGINES
Posted By: big al
Subject: ALLIS V SERIES ENGINES
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2013 at 6:47pm
| TRACKED DOWN THE CHIEF ENGINEER OF THE V SERIES ENGINES.HE SAID THESE ENGINES NEVER WENT INTO PRODUCTION,AND WERE HAND BUILT BUY THE TOOL ROOM.CORPERATE DECIDED TO SCRAP THE PROGRAM.ENGINES V6 1017CI NEVER LEFT THE PLANT 6 BUILT.V8 1358CI TEST ENGINES APPROX.15 BUILT,V12 2035CI 58 BUILT.HARVEY WANTED TO USE THE V12 IN THE HD41-CORPERATE SAID TO MUCH MONEY AND SAID TO TRY THE V8.THE HD41 AT 500HP PLUS WOULD BE AT THE UPPER END OF THE V8'S HORSE POWER RANGE.THE ENGINE HAD COUNTER BALANCERS FOR THE CRANK THAT PREMATURLY FAILED,WHEN TESTED IN THE 41.THE ENGINE WAS OF GOOD DESIGN AND THE BALANCER PROBLEM COULD HAVE BEEN RESOLVED.COPERATE DID NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO PUT THESE BIG ENGINES INTO PRODUCTION.I AM GOING TO MEET THE ENGINEER THIS WEEK AND GIVE YOU GUYS MORE INFO-STAY TUNED!! |
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Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2013 at 9:22pm
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Keep the info coming. I am interested as well ------------- Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity" 1968 D15D,1962 D19D Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start |
Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2013 at 9:27pm
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Wouldn't mind having the v6 in my collection. I wonder what happened to the 6 of them? ------------- Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity" 1968 D15D,1962 D19D Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start |
Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2013 at 7:19am
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Great info ! I was told by a guy who worked for the Ontario A-C industral dealer that the V-8 was tested in the HD-41 and would grenade at about 1000 hours. No mention of testing the V-8 in Norm's books. Sam T tells of a V-8 in the Georgia branch that A-C suddenly wanted returned. I guess I'll have to get a little more serious about getting a V-12. Know of two for sale. ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: big al
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2013 at 4:51pm
| CALVIN-THE V8 WASNT A BAD ENGINE,THEY WANTED TO MUCH OUT OF IT.THE HARVEY ENGINEER HAS ALL THE TEST DATA ON THE HD41 TEST WITH THE V8.WE WILL FIND OUT MORE!!! |
Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2013 at 12:27pm
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The V-12 with the intercooler was rated at 900 Hp so the V-8 should have been good for close to 600 Hp. The HD-41 with the cummins V-12 is 524Hp so the V-8 should have got the job done. ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: big al
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2013 at 10:40pm
| you never want to pull the max rated hp out of a engine,the rated 600hp was intermintent rating.you need some cushion.just like the hd21&945 loader the engines were 300hp and 315hp in the 945 (25000).the v12 cummins (1710ci)could make alot more than 525hp,but you need some longevity.they could of used the v8 in the hd31(425hp)that came out in 76? Mr Zagotta an engineer that worked on the v series told me they should of never played with the v8 version,they were a 60 degree block and that it was hard to balance.they had to use two counter balancers spinning twice the rpm of the crankshaft.the balancers failed prematurely.at the end they re engineered the balancers,but corporate thought the v12 was a better product. |
Posted By: big al
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2013 at 9:51pm
| i met with mr. Baklin chief engineer on the v series engines.we talked for a couple hours,my ears were glued to his every word!!he has a filing cabinet filled with drawings,data,pictures ect.that he willing to donate to the rumley-allis heritage museum-coming soon to laporte,indiana.he was the last engineer at harvey-to clean&dispose papers.he gave me a picture of the last engine off the line in 1986 a 426.they almost had a deal selling the v12 engine to cummins in 1986,but cummins backed out.they were working on two experimental engines the model 9010 90 degree v series (v8-v12).4 turbochargers compounded and intercooled(300mbe)output.1cylinder running prototype.model 688 inline series 300hp.stay tuned i might be able to show some drawings of these engines. |
Posted By: ACcrazy
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2013 at 10:30pm
This is extremely interesting big al! Thanks for sharing. 
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Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2013 at 8:08pm
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Good stuff! Keep it coming!! ------------- Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity" 1968 D15D,1962 D19D Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start |
Posted By: big al
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2013 at 6:02am
| CAME BACK WITH A LOAD OF DOCUMENTS FROM THE ENGINEER SUNDAY.FOUND A FOLDER ON THE V8 IN THE HD41 PROTOTYPE.TESTING IN THE MID 60'S.ENGINE HAD ALOT OF ISSUES ,THIS WAS THE EARLY ENGINE.THERE WAS ALSO THE V12 TEST IN 1972 IN THE 41.THEY ALSO TESTED THE V8 FOR THE HD21C PROGRAM.I WILL GIVE MORE INFO AS I SORT THRU THE DOCS.I SENT JEFF SOME PICTURES SO HE POST EM. |
Posted By: big al
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2013 at 7:31pm
| DID YOU KNOW THAT ALLIS WAS WORKING ON A 12YARD LOADER?I CAME ACROSS A DOCUMENT THAT SPRINGFIELD ORDERED A 61000 V12 ENGINE FOR TESTING FOR A 12 YARD LOADER.AT 830HP THAT WOULD BE A MONSTER!!!ANYBODY EVER HEAR OF THIS PROJECT? |
Posted By: cumminskta600
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2013 at 9:30pm
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