What does it cost.....
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Topic: What does it cost.....
Posted By: chllngr528
Subject: What does it cost.....
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2013 at 6:34pm
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to build a light limited super-stock pulling tractor. I would like to pull in a class similar to this. http://www.midtnpullers.com/rules/6200superfarmrules.html
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Posted By: chllngr528
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2013 at 6:37pm
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I have been pulling tractors since I could enter the pedal tractor pulls. Then progressed on to the garden tractors then my B and finally my WD45. I took a hiatus for a little while but I'm about to start again and I was thinking about stepping it up and notch....or 3.
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Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2013 at 6:52pm
well midtn pullers is here in gods country the south. check with slade he lurks around here or kieth and louis hanney at haney equipment tanner alabama. Slade sold his ride but those three are allis men and Jr amd cujo are good rides with helpful knowledgeable southern hospitality.
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Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2013 at 6:56pm
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Buy the parts used , alot of good used stuff out there cause some people always want the new stuff ; what model are you interested in doing this with ?
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Posted By: O.P.S. Heads
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2013 at 7:11pm
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If you buy top performing new parts you could easily spend $60,000 plus if you start from scratch. You will have 25 - $30 K in the fuel system, clutch, turbo(s) and rear tires and wheels and you still have yet to buy a tractor. Yes some money can be saved when buying used.
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Posted By: chllngr528
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2013 at 7:30pm
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I dont know what model I would be doing it with. I do have a 180 that spun a bearing available to me at scrap cost. Right now I just plan on pulling my WD45 and seeing how it goes. I was more or less just curious and maybe would start getting serious next year if all goes well.
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Posted By: chllngr528
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2013 at 7:31pm
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Doug where are some good places to look for used parts? Ebay?
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Posted By: O.P.S. Heads
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2013 at 7:38pm
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That's a good plan. I would recommend purchasing your fuel system and turbo(s) after everything else is done as the technology / performance on those pieces improves at a rapid rate. Don't buy that stuff new now expecting to be pulling in two years. It will be out dated. Good luck.
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Posted By: chllngr528
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2013 at 7:50pm
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Shoot I bet the tire are the single most expensive thing on the whole tractor!!! Out of curiousity what type/size turbos are tractors in these classes running.
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Posted By: O.P.S. Heads
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2013 at 7:51pm
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The stuff I have mentioned is all diesel stuff. You could probably build a 370 C.I. alky burner for much less and there would be guys on here who could help you with it. That might be another good plan. Go fast - 4 - less.
Turbo's in the size range are Borg Warner S400's, Garrett GT45 - 47's, and Holset HT60, HX60, and H3's
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Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2013 at 8:01pm
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Pulloff, Ebay, some tractor pulling websites have classifieds
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Posted By: chllngr528
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2013 at 8:13pm
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Wow those turbos are a little bigger then expected. What are these engines running for cubes?
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Posted By: wi50
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2013 at 8:41pm
I checked out those rules, 470 diesel with a 3" inlet, 370 alky with a 3" inlet. Stock casting heads etc. So it's similar to any of the other LLSS rules around the country though some only allow for a 410 cid diesel.
I'm going to lay it out like this.
$10,000 for fancy rims and tires
$3500 for turbo
$5000 fuel system.
$3500 for clutch, can, flywheel, etc.
Most of the chassis aren't that expensive, but who's going to build all the little stuff? Plumbing, fuel tank, hitch, wheelie bars, weight brackets etc? If a guy can do it himself still figure on a few thousand dollars in supplies, odds'n ends and running around.
Now add the engine, which is pretty cheap, alum rods for the alky, custom pistons and head work, manifolds, etc and $10,000 might get you close.
You still need an ignition and a data logger. $2500 for each
So we're somewhere around $40,000 if you're handy.
So buy 2 of everything, buy it all new, give up your kids college fund. Don't listen to anyone and replace parts because you think they're bad. Get the most costly fanciest ignition system you can and then replace that too. Maybe you can spend $100,000
Now let someone who bought a $4500 engine that's an obsolete 4 cyl and shouldn't be competitive scrap happy it into a fencerow chassis, take the heads to someone who doesn't know but thinks something might work, or at least might work better than something else but still doesn't really know for sure or even care. Try it, lean it out, kick the rods out of it because it did work and make some new ones. Put it back togather with used junk and go to the Winternationals and win. All for probably less than the price of a used car with half that being in rims and tires.
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"see what happens when you have no practical experience doing something...... you end up playing with calculators and looking stupid on the internet"
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Posted By: THE-MAN
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2013 at 9:26pm
Its hard to kill a RAT!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqytkzMEk2I
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