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Topic: wd sleeve
Posted By: bmartin55
Subject: wd sleeve
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2013 at 8:52pm
| can someone tell me ..what the size of the out side of the sleeves of a wd is..i have frend wanting to put cummins pistons in my old wd motor ...thanks |
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Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2013 at 9:03pm
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Don't know what they are but there are 3 different diameters. The shoulder, the main body and the o-ring OD.
------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: bmartin55
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2013 at 9:18pm
| would like all measuremets on the out of the sleeve..tks |
Posted By: wi50
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2013 at 9:36pm
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4.75" top flange 4.530" top counterbore 4.475" bottom counterbore The barrel or the sleve below the top counterbore that is exposed to the water jacket varies with manufacturer. When I make the overbore sleves to fit in a stock block I shoot for a 4.520" barrel to leave as much material as possiable but allow it to be installed in the block easy. They'll take 4.28" bore easy and probably 4.310 fine depending on piston position at stroke bottom. The bottom counterbore of 4.475" limets the bore size used without block work. Stock sleves have the o-ring grove there. There's a few different o-rings used depending on manufacturer, some use a thinner o-ring for more sleve material there. Most od the aftermarket 4.125 bore sleves will take a 4.185" bore without any issue. ------------- "see what happens when you have no practical experience doing something...... you end up playing with calculators and looking stupid on the internet" |
Posted By: bmartin55
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2013 at 10:18pm
thanks wi50 ... wouild u like to do a e motor some time for me ..thanks will give u my number some time.... gblu
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Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2013 at 8:16am
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Those little motors with 5 inch factory bore spacing have alot of potential we bore 5.063 and use a 5.065 outside bore sleeve . The head allows you to bore the head bolt holes to 5/8 without hitting water but with that large of bore the water holes have to be pluged as well in the bottom of the head cause the bore gets over into them and you need a flat surface for the fire ring . The head bolt holes being enlarged hellps with relocating the studs so there not into the sleeves as well. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: michaelwis
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2013 at 8:22am
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DONT mismeasure ------------- WD WD45 DIESEL D 14 D-15 SERIES 2 190XT TERRA TIGER ac allcrop 60 GLEANER F 6060 7040.and attachments for all Proud to be an active farmer |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2013 at 2:52pm
"outside bore sleeve" Been around a shop and machine tools for 40 years and never heard of an outside bore sleeve
------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Ihateillinoisnazis
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2013 at 3:05pm
Like spankanomics, but spankalanguage... Outside bore, forged cast rods.. I think we should rename eddies speed shop to eddies stroke and poke. Stroken and pokin the keyboard, it's what we do best, cause we sure dont know how to run a machine. |
CTuckerNWIL wrote:Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 3:03pm
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never hear od outside diameter and id inside diameter. some people just walk in and say hello at machine shops and its evident which ones they are cause they cant do machine work . cause they would have to remove their nose from a dictionary to do any work. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 4:53pm
So what is outside bore sleeves? Machinists turn OD's and bore ID's but I suppose if you're backwoods enough, you could bore an OD if that's what you want to do. I have real pictures of some of my machining work. What do you have pictures of besides welding a front pulley to balance the crankshaft? ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 5:14pm
 ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 5:25pm
 ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Rod B
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 5:42pm
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Showing off your employers tools? Pic was posted before when you tried to lie about makeing pistons. ------------- for the money there is nothing better than provoking idiots and posers |
Posted By: THE-MAN
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 6:06pm
| I remember that, Rod! No, he's taking " orders" for Ross pistons, trying to act like he's a Ross dealer.. It's funny, cause there are too many people who know he's lying about THAT too...People know each other, Pank . People know each other... |
Posted By: Rod B
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 6:12pm
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They sure do know each other and talk about who's full of BS. Like getting Ray to order your parts for you or begging to take pics when someone's machining your block for you. ------------- for the money there is nothing better than provoking idiots and posers |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 8:13pm
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c tucker said he wanted to see something i machined so i replied . it would be nice if some could read. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 8:17pm
------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 8:29pm
------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: THE-MAN
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 8:44pm
| Musta hit a good nerve. Nice long explanation trying to cover your butt.. |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 8:53pm
------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Rod B
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 9:02pm
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$650 for a $500 set of pistons with the wrong size wrist pin with half down. Why if you're selling so many would you want half down? Keep them in stock. Better order them with a .990" pin so they fit. ------------- for the money there is nothing better than provoking idiots and posers |
Posted By: Ihateillinoisnazis
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 9:06pm
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Here's a bit of my machine work, this one runs better than spankeys imaginary engines. http://postimg.org/image/x8il4vj6v/" rel="nofollow">  Couple guys on here seen this baby run.. Spunky that's a nice piece of aluminum ya got there in the lathe, serious turning there man.... |
Posted By: Ihateillinoisnazis
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 9:08pm
No one wants your knowledge, and thank god it's free... It's worthless. |
Posted By: THE-MAN
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 9:12pm
| Pank, as I remember, dakins motor blew up or had catastrophic problems. |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 9:14pm
------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Rod B
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 9:17pm
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Wow. Moly 1/16, 1/16 x 3/16 rings in 4.125 bore can be bought for as little as $60 and up for 8 cyl set. That's $8 a hole round here. ------------- for the money there is nothing better than provoking idiots and posers |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 9:20pm
------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 9:28pm
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post the supplier for total seal gapless rings at that price rod so your not just talking . ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: THE-MAN
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 9:29pm
| Burned holes In the pistons or something.. |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 9:31pm
------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 9:37pm
one can always make a bushing like these to go from 1 inch to .927 cause felpro only makes a bushing from 1 inch to .990 . Oh look theres one of those valves that rod doesnt know how to measure as well . ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: THE-MAN
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 9:39pm
| I'm pretty sure wi had total gapless rings for sale I'n some of his packages. |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 9:41pm
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they are a must for alky . i wouldnt be surprised if they werent used as well if coming from wi ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Rod B
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 9:47pm
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Why all the material above the pin? A guy with his own crank welder would put sum stroke in there. Did you file those rods to check for hardness? Or ring them with a spoon? Nothing like the nice parts wi sells. At least he grinds the flashing off and polishes the beams for strength. ------------- for the money there is nothing better than provoking idiots and posers |
Posted By: THE-MAN
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 9:49pm
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Pank you said you deal right from The factory, but now you are pricing summit. Well, I guess as usuall you didn't get exact, and for good reason.. |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 9:53pm
------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 9:55pm
------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: THE-MAN
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 9:58pm
| Oh kinda like a guy who acts Like a Ross dealer " taking orders" but isn't? |
Posted By: Rod B
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 9:58pm
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Not lying. You just twisting things around. I said you can buy moly riings for $60 a set of 8 and up. You pulled total seal gapless out of there. Wanting to be like wi and use the good stuff I see. ------------- for the money there is nothing better than provoking idiots and posers |
Posted By: THE-MAN
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 10:01pm
| Nice clean parts I'n that box. Must not have seen much track time. Nice valve that had rust around the head where it sat In a head that leaked water. |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 10:02pm
------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Rod B
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 10:05pm
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Pank now says he sold Kent Dakon a motor. Kent bought a bad crank. Rember the pics on yt of that hack job. Looked like pank's crank wi posted pics of in other threads. Fishy fishy. Busted again pank. ------------- for the money there is nothing better than provoking idiots and posers |
Posted By: THE-MAN
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 10:05pm
| It's a good thing you don't have any friends. That way no one can possibly get sick of your bs on here. |
Posted By: Rod B
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 10:09pm
But those videos from wi are dated before you tried to build your first motor. Search old threads, it's a fact. ------------- for the money there is nothing better than provoking idiots and posers |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 10:11pm
------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 10:21pm
------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Rod B
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 10:24pm
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Funny, you were trying to pin your bad crank on wi in the topfuel machining topic. Now you got a different story to cover your butt. You should be ashamed for lying. ------------- for the money there is nothing better than provoking idiots and posers |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 10:33pm
------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Rod B
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 10:37pm
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Funny, Maert is the one who said it wasn't him, it was someone in Hook mag. He't the one who brought that tidbit up and you kept trying to pin it on him to make yourself feel better. Busted for lying again. You really need to man up and apoligize to everyone. ------------- for the money there is nothing better than provoking idiots and posers |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 10:41pm
------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Rod B
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2013 at 10:59pm
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There you go makeing things up again. No one's going to ever take you serious if you keep covering one lie with more lies. Expecially when you can't rember all of them. ------------- for the money there is nothing better than provoking idiots and posers |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2013 at 9:06am
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Nope not making up that i posted that the purosity looked familuar like it came from Wisconsin .if i couldnt do my cranks my suggestions for cranks would be that marine crank place in missouri their blown nitro drag boat crank work is exceptional next would be coronett in kentucky. Used to be i recommended crankshaft specialties but they are out of busineas. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Rod B
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2013 at 10:05am
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What about recomending yourself? You're parts liik like crap, you lie about haveing the skills and equipment so you may as well keep going and keep lying. Why did you sell used pistons when you been trying to slander wi the same thing? Pankey's stories are even more full of purosity than his broken cranks. ------------- for the money there is nothing better than provoking idiots and posers |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2013 at 10:16am
------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Rod B
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2013 at 10:27am
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But when the results from the 2012 crossroads of dixie were posted last week you blamed your failure on a broken crank. You already used that excuse for other failures years prior. Busted again  ------------- for the money there is nothing better than provoking idiots and posers |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2013 at 10:34am
------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Rod B
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2013 at 10:45am
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So you aren't still pulling like you were lying about in other threads. ------------- for the money there is nothing better than provoking idiots and posers |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2013 at 10:48am
------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Rod B
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2013 at 10:55am
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It would be much better for business if you were out competeing and building a name for yourself instead if lieing about it. Particapte in the video pulloff. The real parts suppliers can't hold your hand forever, but they can order pistons for you. ------------- for the money there is nothing better than provoking idiots and posers |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2013 at 11:07am
------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Rod B
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2013 at 11:29am
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the only one you mention blew up. Kent's blew up. Yours blew up. At least you grew up overnight and don't need Ray to hold your hand today. ------------- for the money there is nothing better than provoking idiots and posers |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2013 at 11:36am
------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Rod B
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2013 at 8:08pm
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Barney figures out your valvetrain and camsshaft. You have to have Ray order your parts. There's a thread where you're thanking everyone you hired to do the work and bought parts from. Then you're 50 and 100 feet behind the competition and your stuff blows up or the comprtitive engines you've bought can't keep up in the close to stock classes after you've worked your magic. I've got 2 questions based on the past observations Can you do anything yourself? When and where could you be seen pulling one of these engines you claim to be building? ------------- for the money there is nothing better than provoking idiots and posers |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2013 at 8:12pm
------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: THE-MAN
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2013 at 8:56pm
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I guess we will never know how bad it leaks or cracks, WI..he'll never admit reality. All his ramblings the past few years prove that. I talked to a guy the other day from down that way who knows of Pank. He said that Pank is the kind of guy who believes theory over reality, even if its in your hand in front of him. So much for teachable. Of course, he DID admit to living in a fantasy world and something about being ruled by compression..What was that quote again Mitch? Why dont you enlighten us..Cause we believe you DO live in a fantasy land.... Wheres that engine you were so busy building 2 months ago? Still havent seen it Wheres that big crank you "had" built? Not some fuzzy crappy photo that isnt clear..Wi posts clear pics...are you admitting hes smarter or better than you (We all know the answer to that) Wheres your rods you eluded to already having...(still havent seen them) Wheres that motor for two brothers in Michigan you told Unstylish about? Havent seen it Wheres all your orders for Ross, cause you were a dealer..oh yeah, thats right.. Wheres this "WE" you speak about when you make a desperate plea for attention when you try to get peoples work? You got a mouse on your pocket, or is it MGBurchard? Trick question, the guys at the machine shop you hire work out to and claim as your "OWN" dont count.. Why do you still have all this stuff alying around that you claimed to have sold? Its just funny that you have the audacity to badmouth a guy who has been/is actively and successfully doing what you are failing miserably at. Whoever said Jealous Mitch, saw through you too. Why do you even waste time getting on here? You get beat down/busted out so badly, its just not that much fun anymore..
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Posted By: Rod B
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2013 at 8:56pm
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Those you mention build winners. You think your stellar results are an improvement? I thought the longest pull in a class was the winner. ------------- for the money there is nothing better than provoking idiots and posers |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2013 at 9:07pm
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I havent ordered a set of pistons from ray . A client has to my specifications. You pick two to three pulls that I placed in the top four in as a bad thing not knowing or posting any other pulls . Your friend finished fourth and you recommend him. he also purchased a aluminum head and turbos from others not making them from scratch or buying the company out. If the block cracks I will post it I have never denied the forum any of my short commings . I share all . The ones who never fail seat in the stands have no mechanical abilities no shop no tractors just a computer to talk smack about someone who isnt their favorite pick for a puller. Ps When a build comes to me to build .Its my name on the build and creditablity if five hired machinist build it or myshelf. Just like the big shops like Rehr Morrison etc. more than one person at race shops do work on the motor but the shop owners name is the one everything is riding on. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: THE-MAN
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2013 at 9:21pm
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Classic Pank...LOVES to ASK questions, HATES or WONT answer them... |
Posted By: wi50
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2013 at 8:04am
For some reason I felt a need to save this for Butch ------------- "see what happens when you have no practical experience doing something...... you end up playing with calculators and looking stupid on the internet" |
Posted By: JayIN
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2013 at 8:17am
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Pank Reminds me of the poor old security guard who longs desparatley to be a real cop. ------------- sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?" |
Posted By: AC200Puller
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2013 at 9:45am
| How about some more Ernest T Bass Clips LMAO |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2013 at 10:04am
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You ain't heard the last , of Ernest T Bass Too bad I can't get links to work today. [TUBE]Lbdm2vsDYWk[/TUBE] ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: bmartin55
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2013 at 10:24pm
| i think i started something ..when idid this post ...bob lol .. |