HD6 & HD7 track parts
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Topic: HD6 & HD7 track parts
Posted By: Dozer
Subject: HD6 & HD7 track parts
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 11:02am
| I have been searching for track parts for my equipment. I was able to find some old stock by contacting BERCO. I also contacted a manufacturing company in China that makes parts for BERCO. They will make the parts for an initial order of 50 sets. I have heard this story before but could not find the person or company to contact. I can not purchase 50 sets, I can only hope that there are 49 others that need the same track parts. This is not a gimic. Send me a PM |
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Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 5:16pm
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This would be HD5 and HD6 machines if - HD7 was a different pitch . Also thought IH uses a similar track on couple of their machines . What the configuration of the bolt spacing is for track pads from IH to AC would be factor if interchangeability ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: Dozer
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 5:57pm
| I inquired about both HD6G and HD7G track parts realizing that they are different. When I checked about other chain with the same pitch the problem was with rail height. The rail height was taller for the AC equipment. The problem with getting the parts manufactured is finding sales for 50 sets. It would have to be someone like Minpar. I was able to find pins and bushings for one chain and 4 used chains to keep my HD6G's going. My HD7G has a good undercarage but the machine stops moving when it gets hot so I have been working with my HD6's |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 7:21pm
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Trans in my 7G has its issues too, no low Reverse, slips when hot in Forward low so I take it as it comes and try to live with the rails as is as there are minimal trans pieces available anymore either. Minnpar has a few clutch plates and fibers, no seals, no shafts and no clutch housings so I am afraid to tear into mine or to buy a used one that I find is not repairable for the money. Last used trans(not sure if functional) was out of Chartrand Tractor, they are down to one machine and pieces are just slimming up, cost for it was to be $1350.00 with no guarantees just something possibly rebuildable IF I could find internal parts. I am afraid our old beaters are taking their last lickings from us, may not be a rebuild for any of them in the near term.
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Posted By: gemdozer
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2013 at 7:21am
| If I can help for your HD7G am still have some used transmission and torque parts |
Posted By: Ages Cat
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2013 at 8:32pm
| I have spoken to contractors over the years that made their living with the 6G and 7G crawler loaders . They have nothing bad to say about them and were more reliable than other machines of the same size. |
Posted By: HD6 Merv
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2013 at 1:48am
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Hi Dave; with regard to traansmission parts; now i am no guru whatsover here. But i have a idea alot of the transmission parts were made by rockford clutch co. Which i believe was part of borg warner [??] Whether any parts are available through them i don,t know. Only reason i know this is that i was once told clutch plates were the same in HD11ep/b as IH TD15b/c beacause they were made by the same company. Later allis HD11s used rockford torque converters, but earlier ones used twin disc ones. As for track gear us guys in the southern hemisphere can still get track gear for HD6s through our ITM [intertractor] dealer here, who gets his track gear from them in Italy ------------- tits tyres and tracks they all cost you money |
Posted By: Dozer
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2013 at 7:48am
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Thanks HD6 Merv I sent an email to Intertractor North America this morning requesting a dealer source. I think I tried this before and they didn't answer. Can you find out if your dealer can ship to me in the US? Find out the price. At this point I can use (3) 39 pin and bushing sets. I think that there are others so maybe collectivly we could place a larger order. PS Why don't you tell us how warm it is in the southern hemosphere so we can feel bad. |
Posted By: Lazyts
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2013 at 12:36pm
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I've done quite a bit of research on HD11 track parts, and here is some of the information I have found, some of which might help with searching: First of all, none of the old Allis parts show up in the new undercarriage catalogues, so the average dealer doesn't know they exist. Example: I bought a set of sprocket segments from Minnpar for an 11-B (very expensive) and they were a Berco part. Obviously, Berco has them, so I contacted Berco North America- no dice. Finally, I found a dealer who would actually look into it, (it takes at least a day, as it is nightime in Italy during business hours here) and sure enough- these parts are still available, not in production, but stock still exists at the factory. I found the same thing with pins and bushings for an 11-B. I'm sure that other parts are available too, but you need to know the Berco part numbers, which I do not have, and you would have to find an old outdated catalogue to find them. (I stumbled on the part number for the pins and bushings from looking at an Australian website) I've been able to source these parts through Union Tractor in Edmonton, and HD11E, 11-B rollers are available through KTM, a Chinese outfit, with a minimum order of 36. I'm curious to know what is available through ITM too... I'm actually pretty well heeled on track parts right now, thanks to this forum (due to a bunch of HD11Es being cut up for scrap in Iowa), but a guy never knows when he'll find another "project".
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Posted By: Lazyts
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2013 at 12:40pm
| Merv- I've wondered about the transmission parts, and if they were made by Twin Disc or Rockford, the torque converter is no mystery, but the transmission is. Good to know a little more info. |
Posted By: Lazyts
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2013 at 12:46pm
| HD11 and 12G use the same clutch disks, don't know if they were used in any other models. |
Posted By: michale34
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2013 at 3:34pm
| Has anyone checked with westrock company in little rock arkansas they were the allis chalmers/fiat dealer in little rock ar they still or did have a lot of oem parts in stock there number is 501-228-0330 mr jones is the parts man and he knows allis like the back of his hand |
Posted By: AC Mel
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2013 at 10:53am
Thought I would try to post the BERCO part numbers for lazyts to use ,these are for the 11E,B series. If he has someone who can track this stuff down, do it. If it works I'll post up the HD7G numbers maybe we can find sprockets and rollers  |
Posted By: Dozer
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2013 at 11:56am
Evidently Intertractor North America is too big to bother with an end user like me. They did NOT reply |
Dozer wrote:Posted By: Lazyts
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2013 at 5:27pm
| Thanks Mel! |
Posted By: Steve allis dozer
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2013 at 8:57pm
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Gday Lazyts , can you post some more info on the ktm track rollers please ? a link to there website or contact details regards steve
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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2013 at 3:48pm
| I would be interested in any 7G numbers, if I can find new old stock may be affordable. |
Posted By: HD6 Merv
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2013 at 1:43am
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Steve; guy we track gear from nz is jim keaney this is nz agent for itm http://www.trackweld.co.nz" rel="nofollow - www.trackweld.co.nz Hes got in new rollers and chains for HD6s. He sent a set of hd6 chains to a mate of mine in victoria ------------- tits tyres and tracks they all cost you money |
Posted By: Steve allis dozer
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2013 at 5:47am
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Thanks Merv I will get in touch with him regards steve
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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2013 at 8:28am
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Dozer, I had contacted ITM, and a few others as you did with Berco, actually called them and got the same responses verbally, it is as if they don't care to make a sale on these old machines, morons, there are a lot of our machines out in use, they could be selling rails and pads to a great deal of us if, IF they had stock in place. Could be part of a agenda to try to move these out and newer machines in, keep the wheels of time greased and rolling. I have a contact email into a local yard that has scrapped 7G units, as to trans parts for mine, if they don't I will get into contact with Hector Gemme here, he has a few pieces as of last count, may have to order up a whole trans to get a rebuild going while still using my machine.
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Posted By: Lazyts
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2013 at 2:13pm
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Steve- I said KTM, my mistake- it's KTP Ktsu for short, Kunshan Kensetsu Buhin for long, part number is AC1839. I'm not sure if they have any distribution "down under" or not- here it is under KTP America, Union Tractor is the dealer in Canada, US dealers are Industrial Tractor Parts and Boyd and Sons. I bought a set of these rollers to install on our 11-B, the dealer assured me they have had excellent results with KTP products on other makes of machinery. The rollers look like the old Simmel rollers used to look- bushing construction but no drilled shaft for greasing. One of the American Dealers ordered a run of about 100 rollers a couple of years ago, and that is where mine came from. They are sold out now, not sure if they will be ordering more.
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Posted By: Lazyts
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2013 at 2:18pm
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Note for the HD6 and 7G guys: Weld on sprockets are still available from Henderson Mfg, Pittsburgh TX- they are on the web, www.hendersonmfgco.com |
Posted By: Lazyts
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2013 at 2:25pm
| Incidentally, Henderson Mfg was the supplier of track adjusters to Allis Chalmers, so they are a good source for those parts as well. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2013 at 4:26pm
| Got a email on a core transmission, potentially totalled inside but all parts on/in it, Looked to minnpar, clutch plates are still available(most of them), a few seals so I would need to tear it apart and see if I can locate the small seals and seal rings from ahydraulics shop. 'Core' trans $550 and I pick it up in Redbud Il. |
Posted By: Lazyts
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2013 at 5:35pm
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I contacted ITM North America as well, concerning HD11 track parts. Intertractor has basically abandoned the small crawler market in North America, due to price undercutting by Chinese manufacturers, and are now concentrating on mining machinery. The lady I talked to says they quit making HD11 components in 2007. She told me to contact Berco, and even gave me the Berco part number to check. (which I already had from ACMel) So I put in a couple of Berco numbers to my dealer just for kicks. Turns out the Chinese ralis (Valuepart, ESS, etc) are much cheaper (about 70% of the cost of Berco), but are not intended to be rebuilt- you just run them to destruction, throw them away, and get new gear.
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Posted By: Steve allis dozer
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2013 at 4:44pm
| Thanks for the info Lazyts , we haven't been able to get track rollers here for about 5 years the last one's were up to $600 EACH which soon adds up, have been looking fitting cat d5 or komatsu d41 rollers they are the same size ecept for the bolt holes , maybe able to drill track frames or weld a threaded plate to bolt them to . |
Posted By: Lazyts
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2013 at 6:57pm
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Yeah, Steve- have heard of guys using D5 rollers by welding a bar onto the track frame. Pretty sure you could bolt it on using recessed holes to make it work as well. I heard back from Berco- they have discontinued the HD11 stuff, don't make the links any more, and there aren't enough left over to make a complete track. Still some odds and ends of components left at the factory, but no significant amounts. The only thing left is a couple sets of pins and bushings- 2500.00 Canadian. Pretty expensive- the last set of pins and bushing I did was 1800 including installation. Inflation, I guess...
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Posted By: Lazyts
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2013 at 7:00pm
| I was quoted $275 Canadian each on the KTP rollers, with 36 piece minimum order, so the price is pretty good. |
Posted By: gemdozer
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2013 at 7:06am
| I have a set track with pads on with new pines and boushings and should have 25 bottom rollers in very good condition for HD9- 11 G-S-B-E-ES-F and am located near MONTREAL CANADA |
Posted By: edwin
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2013 at 9:37am
| I have a 7g all it needs is engine repair. u/c 90%. found a complete engine for 1500. has a ripper will sell whole machine for 3800. or ripper for 1800 or loader only for 2500. if interested calls only 417-718-0766 |
Posted By: edwin
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2013 at 9:42am
| I have an hd 7 G with ripper for parts whole machine 3800. or ripper 1800. or machine only 2500 417-718-0766 |
Posted By: edwin
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2013 at 9:46am
| I have a 7-G for parts with ripper. missing head and turbo. u/c 90% whole machine 3800 or ripper 1800; or machine only 2500... 417-718-0766 |
Posted By: ac_sd
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2013 at 2:12pm
| I have 2 good sets of HD-5B tracks, located in San Diego area. |
Posted By: gbronson
Date Posted: 26 May 2014 at 11:52pm
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I was going to cut up my HD7 and bring it to the junk yard but last minute decided, if I can get more than junk value and provide someone with useful parts, I might do so. That said, I junked the left front idler and had this idea on the drive back from the junk yard. I have a complete undercarriage for the right side, complete with idler, roller, and a pretty good track. I also have the left track as well but I have to dig it out of the dirt and see what we've got. Complete transmission rear of the clutch housiong and intact final drives and rear sprockets (usable but I would not use them as replacements on a restoration). I will get serial numbers and year and pictures up if there is interest. |
Posted By: ac_sd
Date Posted: 27 May 2014 at 2:50am
| I have 2 sets of HD-5/6 used rails and several good rollers left. I am in the San Diego area. |
Posted By: PeteMN
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2014 at 12:36am
| Local scrap yard had an HD6G-15548 that he brought in to scrap out a few weeks ago. Haven't been there since so don't know if its still there. Said they pulled it when he went to load it and it did start, one steering clutch didn't work, no bucket. Tracks seemed ok to my untrained eye. Scrap price gets pretty high. Could check on it if anyone was seriously interested. |
Posted By: Dozer
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2014 at 8:01am
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I need a working steering clutch assembly. The assembly I want is the drum, frictions, steels, springs, and pressureplate. Please find out if they will pull it and what they want for it. Could you take a picture of it for those who might be able to afford shipping on the track. Thank you |
Posted By: PeteMN
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2014 at 11:47pm
| I stopped at the scrap yard and the guys said the HD6G dozer is still there. The owner was gone for the day, but I dropped off Jerry's contact info so hopefully he'll get in touch tomorrow. They had already locked the gate for the day so didn't get any pictures. Will try again if I get time, at least he didn't just haul it in and cut it up for scrap like he does with old combines, etc. |
Posted By: gbronson
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2016 at 10:38pm
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I have an HD7 with complete transmission, final drives etc up to clutch housing and a *real nice* set of tracks. Front right idler also. I accidently junked the left front idler, though it was quite worn. I am going to be selling it off/parting it off this year. No engine no radiator, no left undercarriage. Right is mostly complete. If anyone is interested I can take some photos if anyone would like. |
Posted By: david weldon
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2018 at 2:41pm
| Hello Mel would you by any chance have the berco part number for track chains on a 62/64 allis chalmers hd7g ? Thanks David. |
Posted By: AC Mel
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2018 at 11:36pm
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David...Yes I have a Berco book that has those numbers.Not sure if you need to be more specific. There appears to be lots of variations for those tracks. They also fit the old HD9 and HD11...there are AC part numbers for cross reference too. Do you have a AC part number? I'll try to scan and post that...I think that was posted before...or something was that disappeared. |
Posted By: david weldon
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2018 at 3:50am
| That's great mel it's morning here where I am when I get home evening I will post allis track rail part number thanks David. |
Posted By: Dozer
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2018 at 6:27am
| Is there some place where you can get Berco parts???? |
Posted By: AC Mel
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2018 at 10:33am
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Ok...I can't get a jpeg photo to come up in this post..I sent a PDF version to your email....and yes Dozer beat me to it. Do you have a source for these BERCO numbers??? |
Posted By: youngbuck_oldiron
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2023 at 12:59pm
| Can I get the berco numbers for a '58 hd6b? I need both sides replaced. |
Posted By: Ian Beale
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2023 at 4:44pm
Steve - Are the bolt holes bigger? An old dozer bloke here used to just bush the bolt holes with polypipe. The example was fitting D7E rollers to a "Whistler" D7. I guess the bolts do the positioning and the flat surface bolted down does the holding.
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