trying to source bearings for local farmer,
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Topic: trying to source bearings for local farmer,
Posted By: JimBarry
Subject: trying to source bearings for local farmer,
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2012 at 12:04pm
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Hi, A local farmer is need of some assistance sourcing a bearing for a disc harrow. He doesn't know computers so he called me. I don't know farming but willing to help. So I'm hoping someone in this forum can assist. Bearing part# 333681 Bearing holder part #348870 That's the numbers he read to me over the phone off of the parts. He said the bearing is 3 inches in diameter and about 2-1/2 inches long with 2 grooves that go around the bearing that fits with the bearing holder. There's also some sort of rubber boot too. He needs to know of a place to buy these arts. Either respond to this post or send a PM. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jim Barry Loch Katrine, Nova Scotia Canada
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Posted By: JimBarry
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2012 at 12:07pm
| He also said the bearing fits onto a 1 inch hex shaft. |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2012 at 12:15pm
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Baum Hydraulics has a considerable collection of disk bearings. Download section Q of their catalog, their search engine is a mess. Shoup (www.shoupparts.com) has a considerable collection of disk bearings and mountings sorted on paper by size or disk vendor. Few general purpose bearing stores have bearings with hex or square bores. More disks use square than hex shafts. Their printed catalog is better than their search engine, but a phone call may work better. Same for Baum. Gerald J. |
Posted By: sks72107
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2012 at 12:18pm
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This is where i get my hard to find bearings.
http://www.motionindustries.com/motion3/jsp/mii/index.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.motionindustries.com/motion3/jsp/mii/index.html
Looks as if they have a Canada branch also. You may need to know the old bearing manufacturers name. Good luck.
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Posted By: Butch(OH)
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2012 at 12:23pm
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As Gerald said Shoups is usually good for such. Any indusrtrial bearing store can get them also but it can be a struggle if you get the wrong counter person. Be sure to tell them it is an ag bearing. They should be able to cross your number but here is an online catalog link for whats available from NTN. Some housings are Mfg specific, some are genaric you may or may not be able to get them anywhere but OEM
http://www.ntnamerica.com/website/documents/brochures-and-literature/catalogs/ag%20brouchure%2020%20pager%20web.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://www.ntnamerica.com/website/documents/brochures-and-literature/catalogs/ag%20brouchure%2020%20pager%20web.pdf
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Posted By: JimBarry
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2012 at 2:02pm
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Seems I cannot open the sites for Shoup and NTAmerica. So I'll pass along the Baum and Motion telephone nubmers to the mechanic. Thanks.
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Posted By: wfmurray
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2012 at 2:55pm
| try Agri Supply 1-800-345-0169 . They have all sizes of disc blades ,spools and bearings . They will work with you and will do the best they can on shipping. Located in North Carolina. |
Posted By: JimBarry
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2012 at 7:31am
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Hi folks, I'm going to add some photos here in hopes someone call assist in searching for these two parts. Any help would be sincerely appreciated.
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Posted By: JimBarry
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2012 at 7:33am
 another picture |
Posted By: JimBarry
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2012 at 7:44am
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shoup doesn't carry anything with a hex bore
motion industries (local shops) don't have anything either baum has nothing |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2012 at 7:51am
| The ole "Ball-Pak" one of a kind and NLA. There are some used ones out there. When still available they were over $200. I think some one fitted a couple brgs in a tube and shimmed the bore to make a replacement. |
Posted By: JimBarry
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2012 at 8:23am
| This farmer is looking for 6 of them. He did go to a local machine shop to see about getting them made up. Apparently he can get the inner part, the bearing itself, but its securing the bearing to that outer housing, which nowadays would be a piece of steel pipe. The thin metal housing of the bearing doesn't offer much to weld too. Then there's the issue of protecting it with a rubber boot. |
Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2012 at 9:38am
I'm no machinist but there are quite a few on this site that are, so... if there inner bearing is available couldn't a peice of heavy walled tubing be machined for a press fit and would that hold the bearing in place with out welding? ------------- AGCO My Allis Gleaner Company |
JimBarry wrote:Posted By: JimBarry
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2012 at 9:47am
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I found this web site as the only place that lists parts online like this bearing. I'm waiting to hear from them to see if they have what we're looking for. http://www.allpartsstore.com/Search.htm?CategorySeq=S&SelcBrand=MS&SelcMachn=Cylindrical%20Hex%20Bore%20Brg&SelcModel=&SelcSectn=BR&SelcSubsc=BR005" rel="nofollow - http://www.allpartsstore.com/Search.htm?CategorySeq=S&SelcBrand=MS&SelcMachn=Cylindrical%20Hex%20Bore%20Brg&SelcModel=&SelcSectn=BR&SelcSubsc=BR005
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Posted By: JimBarry
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2012 at 9:49am
Maybe. I'm a woodworker, not a machinist.
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Posted By: Brian F(IL)
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2012 at 9:51am
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Ah yes, as Steve M said, the one-of-a-kind Bal-Pak bearing. Made of unobtanium. May be able to find some NOS; check with Larry Swenson. I got some from him a while back but his were with round centers versus the hex shaft.
Here is a picture of the round shaft bearing
 It is 3" in diameter; center hole is 1" in diameter; the bearing is 2.5" tall.
 Another view. These are the type I got from Larry.
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Posted By: JimBarry
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2012 at 10:15am
We're getting closer! What's "NOS" and where do I find this Mr Swenson? Your've looks the same except for the round bore.
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Posted By: Brian F(IL)
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2012 at 10:18am
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NOS stands for "new, old stock". It's to describe an item that has never been used but is old and may be found "in stock" in someones old parts bin.
I'll send you a PM with Larry Swenson's contact information.
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Posted By: JimBarry
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2012 at 10:20am
| If its the same Larry Swenson in the member list, I've sent him an emial. Thanks. |
Posted By: allis g
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2012 at 10:21am
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Try RBI bearing on line. Hate to say it but they are Chinese that is who I get my bearings from. You may need to go through a retail dealer though. They have a gigantic selection of bearings. |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2012 at 11:15am
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Using Baums or Shoup's on line search is a waste of effort.Baum does have HEX bore disk bearings, download section Q, look at page Q1. But not wide and not 1" bore. In section P, Baum has hex bore weldahubs. They machine nicely. I would use some bigger disk bearing (from Baum or Shoup) with a hex bore weldahub and a universal bearimg mount also found in Baum section Q. It will take some machining. Shoup's 2006 catalog shows several bearing with 1" hex bores. Look for part numbers:HPC100GP, HPS100GP, SH10338 (replaces JD9338), SH10313 (replaces JD9313). There may be more. I have multiple solutions. Use a machined Weldahumb with hex bore as a spacer for a disk bearing with about 1-1/2" round bore and cobble a bearing mounting from standard parts, or I have to 12' wide JD disks sitting around and I'd put one of them to work. The 2004 Shoup spring catalog shows a 1-1/4" hex disk bearing for Allis. They may not have them now. It would be possible to shim the 1" hex shaft to fit in Baum's bearing with a bigger hex bore, but machining a weldahub hex bore round is easier than machining its outside hex or square, but all are possible. Gerald J. |
Posted By: JimBarry
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2012 at 11:24am
I tend to not use online catalogs since they rarely list everything a company has. I called both Baum and Shoup and neither were able to help me. Baum said he didn't have any hex core bearings...and I was talking with the bearing buyer who's been there 15 yrs. And Shoup was about the same response. I'll take the rest of your info Gerald and pass it along. Sounds do-able. Thanks.
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Posted By: nsula_country
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2012 at 2:30pm
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AGCO? They may have them still. CT ------------- 2014 LS P7010C, 1962 Farmall 504 Diesel (1st tractor) w/ 2008 Koyker 220 FEL, 1968 Allis Chalmers 180 Diesel, Komatsu PC38UU-2 Excavator, Various attachments for all! |
Posted By: JimBarry
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2012 at 3:03pm
I was at their site trying to locate a dealer but there's no listing for Allis Chalmers products. If it falls under another category I don't know what that would be.
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Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2012 at 3:08pm
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Agco no longer wants to acknowledge that Allis or Gleaner ever had a history before Massey Ferguson. Anyway here is a link to a forum supporter that is an Allis Dealer http://www.sandylakeimp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://www.sandylakeimp.com/ They have good people in there that will help you out. you will probably need the model of the disc as well. ------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2012 at 5:08pm
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Rub those sales kid's noses in those part numbers. One for disks, the rest for planters and corn heads that very often use hex shafts to allow moving units to change row spacing. It might well take a pair of corn head bearings, like the ones that cross to JD numbers to handle the disk load. Another practical alternative but not cheap would be to replace shafts, disks, and all the bearings with the more common square disk shafts. Shoup has those. I find MORE parts in the downloaded printed catalog from Baum than I can find with their computer search because their search engine is pretty bad and you have to know ALL of its nuances and stupidities to find even common stuff. Their printed catalogs are good, plus are thick and I think complete. The sections I have downloaded search very well in Adobe Acrobat. Shoup's search is even poorer and I won't bother to bring it up. I'll dig out a printed catalog instead and probably should go ask for the latest since I've not bought from there in a while and have moved, I don't have one for 2012. They usually issue two a year, spring has more planter parts, fall has more combine parts, both are usually pretty good in tillage parts and I find parts in the printed catalog ten times faster than in their on line trash. I could be persuaded to sell or swap my JD disks. Gerald J. |
Posted By: AllisandGleaner
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2016 at 7:08pm
| Where can you locate some now a days? |
Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2016 at 7:29pm
| JD 7000 planters use a 1" hex shaft and have hex bearings in then they have differant mounting clamps than you have pictured. I loaded six of the planters for scrap last year and they had good bearings in them. I used a 1" wrench to turn the shafts so I could save the gear box for a couple other farmers. We hauled the last one in this spring didn't get squat for it but after driving around it for most of a year it was nice tohave it gone. |
Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2016 at 8:05pm
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This place has hex bearings. They show size over 1" id, you'd have to contact them to see what widths they carry. I found several sources by googling "bearing with hex inner race". Apparently they are still used so it's just a matter of finding them. If they don't carry a width you need, you might try doubling up a thinner size http://www.lutco.com/Products/Radial-Bearing/Radial-Hex-Bore-Bearing/" rel="nofollow - http://www.lutco.com/Products/Radial-Bearing/Radial-Hex-Bore-Bearing/ ------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446 |
Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2016 at 8:06pm
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the bearing is ROUND the center here is a hex inner sleeve. Press the inner sleeve out, then the bearing and replace as in the 70330133. Less than $100 to put/press in 2 brgs. Save one spacer to put between the 2 new brgs add a flat washer on each side as a dirt shield. Will last years.. ------------- When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money.. |
Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2016 at 9:28pm
| Rays out in Kansas would have those bearing. May have the bearing holder to ?? 785-353-2392 |
Posted By: Ajstev1@gmail.com
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2017 at 7:31pm
| Hi I'm looking to take your advice and replace with two bearings do you have a part number or place I can purchase these bearings by any chance. Thanks for your help. |
Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2017 at 9:36pm
| I have the hex 1inch bearing. 785-353-2392 Rays |
Posted By: RDearing
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2018 at 4:39pm
| Ray do you still have these 1" hex bearings? |
Posted By: bigal121892
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2018 at 5:07pm
| That looks similar to what Kewanee used, I used to get them from these guys: http://beaverbearing.com" rel="nofollow - http://beaverbearing.com |