Mounting rear tires always scares me...
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Topic: Mounting rear tires always scares me...
Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Subject: Mounting rear tires always scares me...
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2012 at 9:41pm
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so today I lubed up the bead with Dawn and rolled the 18.4 x 28 to the other side of the skid loader, attached the clip on tire inflator thingy and retreated to the barn to wait for the "pop". Never did hear it, but decided I'd better stop and deflate (I can unhook the hose at the compressor and it will let the air backflow). Checked a few minutes later and the old tire had seated. I would take it to the tire shop, but if they see even a little crack they won't mount them....... ------------- ALLIS EXPRESS! This year: |
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Posted By: Nathan (SD)
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2012 at 12:29am
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Tube type tires rarely give you the same pop the tubeless type do. And you probably only needed 12lbs to get a tractor tire on. I have had some 44lbs car tires that needed almost 60lbs to finally push on cuz I didn't lube them enough. Yes, tire shops seem to look for any excuse to sell you a new tire. I rarely go in one anymore. Has to be a total freak emergency. |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2012 at 1:20am
| ya'll ever use starting fluid to mount yer tires? whew! the dude that rents one of our other houses does it all the time mounting semi tires! |
Posted By: patrickmull
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2012 at 4:39am
| i use starting fluid all the time i use a log chain with a spring lock and go around the tire and wheel |
Posted By: Larry(OH)
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2012 at 5:22am
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my neighbor has a prtable air tank that has a big ball valve added and a piece of 2" pipe on it smashed down(like an early C muffler) that we use to set the bead on his semi tires. 1 big shot of air and no either. Not sure if it would be enough to seat the tractor tires or not ------------- '40 WC puller,'50 WD puller,'50 M puller '65 770 Ollie *ALLIS EXPRESS contact* I can explain it to you, BUT I cannot understand it for you!! |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2012 at 5:24am
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CaseIH dealer where I was a parts man used ether to mount tubeless tires. Worked real good. I tried it once too and it worked great. After having a friend killed by an exploding truck tire I might see why a garage might be cautious about what tires they mount. But that was a split rim type too. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Mike56073
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2012 at 5:37am
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Larry, that air tank is called a bead cheetah, we have one where I work. The boss decided to get one after waching us seat a few with ether, it made him nervous. |
Posted By: D17JIM
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2012 at 6:11am
| Most tire shops won't mount a cracked or otherwise damaged tire because their insurance tells them not to. If one of the public has a wreck because of a blown tire the person or the persons relatives can go back and say they mounted a faulty tire. Its not always to sell a tire !! Even though the customer asks for the tire mounted our wonderful lawyers and legal system still blames the tire shop. I'm not a tire dealer but in my business there are several things I used to do that I don't anymore because of liability. |
Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2012 at 6:12am
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Had the tire shop service truck mount two 30.5 x 32 tires yesterday. The beads and tires were well lubricated and there was NO pop. The tires slowly slide onto the bead of the rims with about 18 psi. Was a little nervous because the rims were widened in our shop using the originial 21" rims and adding a second double drop from a combine rim. I call the rims my new double double. It was not our first rim widening project. ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: Roddo
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2012 at 10:27am
Alot of ag rims dont have the big ridge near the outer edge of the rim that most automotive rims have. Its that ridge that the tire has to jump over that makes the pop. Ag tires just seem to fit a lot more snug hence the need to used wedges and bars to change them. Once they start to move they usually just fall off. Usually.
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Posted By: Brian G. NY
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2012 at 10:58am
| I can't see how you could use either the "Bead Cheetah" or the starting fluid on tube type tires. |
Posted By: 427435
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2012 at 11:10am
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Back in the late 70's, a report of a fatality at an AC dealership crossed my desk. A young guy was mounting a tractor tire and was standing on the wheel while air was being applied to the tire. The tire blew and the young guy was crushed between the wheel and the ceiling. Mounting tires can be deadly. ------------- Mark B10 Allis, 917 Allis, 7116 Simplicity, 7790 Simplicity Diesel, GTH-L Simplicity Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not. |
Posted By: Dick L
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2012 at 11:23am
| I must be doing something wrong. I have mounted a lot of rear tractor tires in years past and never had one pop when seating. I have had some of my joints pop trying to get one off. I have had a few that the bead was not quite all the way out but once it was on the ground and in the field a short it was out where there was no crack/space. I have had a couple that when they didn't start to slide in place at 30 pounds of pressure I have broken them down and re lubed them. Once in a while one side on the same side will start to seat way ahead of the other side which puts th ebead i a cocked position. Some new rears have had some flash that needed trimed off that might have made it hard to slide over. Most small tires pop when the bead seats. |
Posted By: Larry(OH)
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2012 at 2:26pm
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Yeah Brian, i don't believe that would work real good!! ------------- '40 WC puller,'50 WD puller,'50 M puller '65 770 Ollie *ALLIS EXPRESS contact* I can explain it to you, BUT I cannot understand it for you!! |
Posted By: Darrell G (MN)
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2012 at 7:09pm
| I needed 2 rears and 2 fronts mounted for my 25-40 on round spokes, thought about doing it myself, local coop told me they would mount all four for $50.00 I guess you know who mounted the tires, picked them up this afternoon, look real nice. |
Posted By: ChuckLuedtkeSEWI
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2012 at 7:15pm
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Shameless, I was gonna ask about using the ether the other day but I didn't want to get yelled at. I have some LT truck tires I am putting on a trailer and the only way I got the first one mounted was to use the old ether method. I usually use some wood kitchen matches so I can lite it and throw it so I am a safe distance away. I learned that trick from my dad and brother. Don't like to use it, but it does work.
The other key is to have the valve stem removed so it lets the extra pressure out when it does blow and then have the air hose ready to air it up so the beads don't fall back off right away. If you don't pull the valve stems out, they can blow apart on you. ------------- 1955 WD45 diesel 203322 was my dad's tractor, 1966 D15 23530, 1961 HD3 Crawler 1918, 1966 D17 IV 83495, 1937 WC 41255, 1962 D19 6221 |
Posted By: LouSWPA
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2012 at 7:26pm
You have to remove the stem, spray a lonoog dose of starting fluid into tire..........and stick about a foot of cannon fuse in the valve stem.....light it and don't stop running until you hear the boom! If you used sufficient starting fluid the tire, rim, or pieces may still pass by you! LOL Seriously, don't do it, I'm joking I've used starting fluid on car tires.....don't think I would have the 'nads to do it on a truck of tractor tire ------------- I am still confident of this; I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
Brian G. NY wrote:Posted By: Brian G. NY
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2012 at 9:07pm
| I can almost envision the explosion and flames!! LOL |
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2012 at 10:01pm
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Have tried the either on tubeless truck tires but made a cheeta out of old 20 lb propane tank and now use that . 1 1/2 " pipe and ball valve on tank clip air hose onto valve stem and start filling then give blast with the cheeta and they go on. When I put the new tires on my 715B hoe could not get them to bead, went back to shop I bought them from and they said no problem 3 hours later they were still trying to get them to seat. Took 4 cheetas used at once and cable around tire to compress it to finally get them mounted. Lou's method sounds like a friend of mine who was scrapping RR tank cars , someone asked him how he knew he could cut them . He said he tied a rag onto a rope , draped it over car , lit rag and pulled it across to the manhole. When asked if that was safe , he just said he put his finger in the ear closest to the car so when it exploded it did not effect his hearing ... (All cars have to be purged completely with steam and nitrogen before being released to scrap) ------------- Life lesson: If you’re being chased by a lion, you’re on a horse, to the left of you is a giraffe and on the right is a unicorn, what do you do? You stop drinking and get off the carousel. |
Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2012 at 10:08pm
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The local tire company offers free fix a flats on the tires they sell....got tired of me bringing in my skidloader tire when that came off the rim....usually a half hour with a bead cheeta...they finally got smart and offered me a discount on a tube..... ------------- ALLIS EXPRESS! This year: |
Posted By: Iowa_Allis
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2012 at 10:26pm
| I didn't read through all this, but I will say that my oldest son worked for tire shops that did on the farm repairs the last three summers. This past summer I helped him change the rear tires on my dad's 861 Ford. I would NOT like to be there watching the pressure build until they pop every time. My son has told me horror stories that he made me promise not to tell his mom. |
Posted By: Rich--MN
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2012 at 10:51pm
| Now this goes back many a day: Seems that Uncle's green machine mechanics were supposed to chain the tires on the duce & half's tires before airing it up..Damn split rims on the M-34s took off across the shop one day without the chain rig on and took out the mid section of a mechanic packing bearings some 20 feet away.. |
Posted By: everett048
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2012 at 1:55am
| I fit tractor tyres day in day out, every 1 i fit pops out onto the bead always lube up real good and usually u r ok only had to put a 100 psi in a couple to make them seat .normally take me 1.5 hours to fit a set of 710/70/r42 and 600/65/r34 onto a tractor. |
Posted By: tcarroll
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2012 at 10:13am
| I have used a kiddie pool and a hose with lots of dawn or other soap. just be sure not to Get water in the tire. ( attach compressor and run while filling pool around the tire, and spraying around the top.) |
Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2012 at 1:31am
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=pEsEQasl_Tc&NR=1" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=pEsEQasl_Tc&NR=1 ------------- ALLIS EXPRESS! This year: |
Posted By: dave63
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2012 at 5:48am
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Dad had a new Gleaner come in on a rail car many years ago and the rail siding was about 10 miles from the shop so he had to unload it and drive it to the shop. When he got there the valve stems had been removed and the batteries stolen. He came back for batteries, valve stems and air tank. He jacked the combine up and was spraying the either in when a rail road worker walked up. The match was lit before he saw the guy.
Dad said he was a black guy that turned white for a few minutes. He said the guy just turned around and walked away. ------------- The universal answer to all questions is yes, how much do you want to spend? |