AC 200
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Topic: AC 200
Posted By: Big Al 485
Subject: AC 200
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 3:34pm
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I am interested in an AC 200 and would like some opinions if possible as I was recently told to stay away from that model as it was nothing but trouble. Does anybody have one that is not trying to sell it want to offer any advice ? Would 175 be a better fit as I already have a 185 which I am really impressed with other than the small rear tires. ( 18.4 x 28 ) . it will be used mainly for making hay. Thanks.
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Posted By: Sandknob
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 3:50pm
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200 "nothing but trouble"????? Who told you that? A 190/200 is one of my favorite tractors. Nice wide platform, consol control (with throttle in console). My opinion a very nice setup tractor. The 200 is exensially an updated 190xt. It has the later transmission (better), four pinion differential, and larger axles of the XT series III. Some of the early 190's were not that great as they had transmission problems and diff. problems (I have an early one that has trans. problems.) Very easy on fuel in my opinion. A little cold natured in winter though, a block heater would help on mine.
Adam
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Posted By: Tony Elo
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 4:22pm
| the 200 is a good tractor,it doesn't hurt to put a coolant filter on them with the additive in the filter,depending on what you want to do with the tractor it is reasonable on fuel,not the fastest on the road,but reliable.The biggest downfall with it is if you want live pto,you have to remember to use the lo and hi range lever, if you use the foot clutch which is the normal reaction,your pto implement stops with the foot clutch |
Posted By: Rfdeere
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 4:24pm
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Big Al 485, you haven't been talking to Old Tanker on YT have you ? ------------- Randy Freshour,Member Indiana AC Partners, http://www.rumelyallis.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.rumelyallis.com |
Posted By: Racn911
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 4:35pm
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I've have nothing but good things to say about mine. Adam Koch Aviston Illinois
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Posted By: 75-200
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 5:49pm
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My 200 is hard starting compared to other tractors. The power director has been a source of trouble. We have to repair the p/d for the second time after not enough hours on the first rebuild. I have a 2-110 White which I find to be a more reliable tractor. I ran 70 and 90 series Case tractors and had less trouble overall compared to the 200. This was our first and only Allis. They are rare in our area and I can only guess that the 200 was not A-C' s best effort.
A more recent post on this thread reminded me that I too had to replace the hydraulic pump at relatively low hours at a cost of $2200. And I too have a heavy loader on mine which doesn't get abused yet I have replaced more wheel spindles than I can count (at $185 a pop for aftermarket spindles).
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Posted By: stray
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 5:55pm
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The only ones that I've heard being a problem the guys dualed them up with fluid in both inner and out wheels, and some wheel weights. Then turned the pumps up putting out over 150 hp. But any one using the 200 for what it was designed got along very well with. ------------- 1969 190XT series 3 |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 6:13pm
| My experience with a 200 is very negitive , the transmissions are worse to gear jump out , the powerdirector controls give alot of bulls--t trouble ; brakes are terrible to keep working - Allis made a - cost reduction version of the 200 , i think they all were |
Posted By: AaronH
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 6:23pm
| I bought my 200 on Good Friday in 2003, had 5600 hrs. it has the manual pto, which is dependable, but I wish it had the hyd. I did spend the money on two good batteries, and it will start on the South pole. brakes still work fine. it now has over 7000 hrs on it so I have had the hyd pump and inj. pump rebuilt. but that is due to normal wear, at least I feel. the power director gate can be a pain, but you will know right away if the linkage needs adjusting if it wants to "slip" out of the gate. I have a big ole Dual loader on it, and it does everything I need it to. NO complaints. As stated, ya cant fill the duals with fluid and turn it up. prolly wont hold up. |
Posted By: RPSallispullinmd
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 7:18pm
| Big Al all I can say is in 1973 my dad bought a 200 new and it was our big tractor and we did nothing but bull work dauls on rear and we put like 3400 trouble free hours and then dad traded it on a used 1977 7040 power shift.I really liked both tractors plus dad bought a new 7060 in 1976 it had the 20 speed liked It too!! |
Posted By: Joe(TX)
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 7:23pm
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I have a cost reduced 200 as well as a 190XT series III. The 200 has given no trouble at all, and it was not well cared for by previous owners. The transmissions are much inproved over the 190's.
Anybody can have a bad tractor of any make or model.
A lot of power director problems are due to linkage issues causing the valve to not be fully open. The clutch then slips. The Reduced cost 200's linkage is less likely to have this problem because it uses an overtravel lever and springs. ------------- 1970 190XT, 1973 200, 1962 D-19 Diesel, 1979 7010, 1957 WD45, 1950 WD, 1961 D17, Speed Patrol, D14, All crop 66 big bin, 180 diesel, 1970 170 diesel, FP80 forklift. Gleaner A |
Posted By: TREVMAN
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 9:26pm
| A 200 is the best of a very good, perhaps iconic tractor, the 190xt. They are a very handy tractor for many jobs, drawbar and pto. Many people abused them, but abuse a 4020 or 1206 and see how much money you put into it. For haying, and for the money overall, I dont think you can buy anything better, Trev. |
Posted By: MBwcIll
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 10:21pm
| Our 200 was one of our best, had over 5000 hrs when traded for the 7080. Our first deisel. Then the 7080 turned out to be our worst. |
Posted By: Ky.Allis
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 11:12pm
| I have a 1974 200 that I bought when it was 2 yrs.old. The hourmeter (not tach) quit working at 5000 hrs. even. I would guess it has around 9000 hrs. on it now. Yes,it has had an engine rebuild,clutch,brakes,inj.pump,turbo and a few other small things,but this is to be expected if you really use any tractor. The 200 was the last AC tractor made with the hand operated PD. Mine has the gated PD control and I know some people bad mouth this,BUT it is without any doubt the easiest to use PD control AC ever put on a tractor. The short lever with it's short throw and hand guide makes shifts so easy and smooth. Personaly,it looks to me like the 190's and early 200's with the taller "push down" lever would be very difficult to shift smoothly between ranges. Bought a new 185 in 1972 and that was the most awkward PD control. OH and don't forget,like the 190"s,the 200 is one of few AC's made with the throttle where it should be--on the right hand console. I can honestly say it has been a good tractor and after all these years,I still enjoy using it. |
Posted By: Claus
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2012 at 11:22pm
| How do you know if a 200 is a cost reduction or standard tractor? |
Posted By: TexasAllis
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 6:47am
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I spent many summers on a 200 raking and bailing hay. Other than having to recharge the AC twice a year from a small hole in the system we never had any mechanical problems on a 4000 hour tractor. We had more problems with the 7000, always something with the shifter cable and running hot. But then Texas summers will find that weak spot on the cooling system. ------------- 1944 Allis C 1960 Allis D-17 LP |
Posted By: Big Al 485
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 7:20am
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Thank you all very much for the advice. it sure is nice to have this forum to be able to talk with folks and get very valuable information. I think that if the right one comes along ( one that has not been abused ) I will give it a try.
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Posted By: KGood
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 8:50am
| I love the 200's but you mentioned a 175 and mainly doing hay. I'd probably go with the 175 for hay. One thing is less fuel and the other would be your less likely to knock the people down on the haywagon with the manual PD. |
Posted By: Big Al 485
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 9:00am
Posted By: Big Al 485
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 9:09am
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I do like the 175s too, but like the bigger tire size ( smoother ride ) and walk through platform of the 200 also. I probably will go with whichever one is the cleanest tractor. I am under the assumption the the power director is what I refer to as the PTO lever. Is this correct ? When you say that the 200 has a manual power director does that mean that you have to depress the clutch to engage the PTO ? I know that on my 185 you can put it in and out at any time without using the clutch, which i assume means that it is a hydraulic power director. Thanks.
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 9:28am
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Power director is the hi lo power shift. I use my brother's 190XT Sereies III Landhandler (just love that name) for baling and it's the one I prefer and the only one my wife will drive. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: KGood
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 9:46am
| Al I mean the 175 has the manual PD(hi,lo)and the 200 has hyd. activated PD wich is harder to feather it to a slow smooth engagement from a stand still. You will have the PD in neutral,shifter in gear,PTO engaged and let out on foot clutch to start pto then use PD to start tractor movement. |
Posted By: MBwcIll
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 10:00am
| Actually, the hyd pto is an option and not all 200 are so equiped. The 74 200 we had did but a few years ago we bought a 75 200 from the original owner does not, it is the manual pto. I turned Andy loose with the 200 when we was about 9 and he wanted to have a tractor back like the first one he drove. And yes, the hyd pto will not feather and it will shear safty bolts starting a bailer from the suden jerk when engauged. |
Posted By: Big Al 485
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 11:12am
| Ok, are there different style levers that one could tell ( just by looking ) if the pto was hydraulic or manual ? |
Posted By: AC200Puller
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 12:47pm
| We had a late model 200 on the farm that was our big horse for 10 years we put many hours on this tractor with few problems. I would try to get a late model with the short power director lever as they do have better brakes in them, In my opinion a great tractor. If you can do what I do to mine without totally destroying it they must be a good machine! |
Posted By: KGood
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 12:55pm
| I was talking about taking off moving with the PD(HI and LO). I forgot about hyd. engage on some PTO's. I've never had one with it. With one of those you don't even have to push the clutch in and if Iam not mistaken my buddies has a PTO brake also. |
Posted By: Ky.Allis
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 1:32pm
| The hyd. PTO clutch is controlled by a short lever located at the lower rear side of the console to the right of the seat. The manual PTO is controlled by a lever sticking up through the floor on the left side towards rear of battery box. And as another post read,get a newer model with the short PD(Hi-Lo) lever. They are the easiest and smoothest shifting PD that AC ever put on any tractor. Also I love the Hyd. PTO engagment on mine. I know another post said they engage too quick,but mine engages nice and slow if you pull the lever up slowly. If you have an older round baler like mine that requires the PTO to be disengaged to dump the bale,the manual PTO would be a pain in the butt and require depressing foot clutch every time. |
Posted By: Big Al 485
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 1:40pm
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Ok- short lever on the right side, thanks, this will help. My 185 has both hydraulic actuators on the power director and the PTO and they shift smoothly in and out all of the time. Thanks again.
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Posted By: captaindana
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 2:18pm
| I'll throw in my 2 cents. If I was to decide on my farm which tractor to bale hay with...the 200, no doubabout it. I baled with the 170 just to say I did and to show my son in a pinch it'll work, but on my hills and with big kicker wagons, the 170 worked her guts out and a 200 would pretty much play, around here anyways. Dana |
Posted By: MBwcIll
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 2:55pm
| Yes the pto leavers are different. The hyd is a small leaver on the right side (between seat and consol). The manual is on the left, big leaver, comes up out of the floor like the later 190. |
Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 3:28pm
| I wish I could find 1 in southcentral Iowa, would like to trade a 1800C oliver for it. |
Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 3:30pm
| I wish I could find 1 here in south central Iowa, I would love to trade a 1800C Oliver diesel for 1. |
Posted By: mblev
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2015 at 6:30pm
| I have a 200 and I love it ,it does like the fuel though also have 190,175,170 they are better on fuel but I still like the 200 best it's a work horse |
Posted By: Burgie
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2015 at 2:07am
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Big Al, There is a pretty 200 on Craig`s List in Charlestown,Indiana. Listed in Louisville,Ky. ------------- "Burgie" |
Posted By: grinder220
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2015 at 7:10am
| This thread is over 3 years old. |
Posted By: jmillard
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2017 at 7:02pm
| Hi I have a 200 with 6000 plus hours....good to go all the time, never gives me any trouble..(knock on wood when I say that) she has been very loyal..... |
Posted By: ACJake
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2017 at 7:32pm
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Here is my 2 cents. I love my 200 over dads 190xt. No difference powerwise but the 38's make a huge difference over 34's. It is a good all around tractor we use mine hard in the spring as one of our main tillage tractors with very little problems. ------------- 3 WC's, 2 WD's, 3 WD-5's, D-14 w/HenryBackhoe, D-17, 4 D-19's, 185, 190XTsIII, 200, 210, 7010, 10 L&G Allis's. Nunn Better Farms Bleed Orange!!!!! |
Posted By: Bob J Wi
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2017 at 8:46am
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I have a 1972 200 with loader and 3700 hours. Used it for 2 years and have had no problems. It has the small hyd. pto lever on the console just below the seat. How do I tell if it is a cost reduced 200? Does not like cold weather. I have a block heater on the motor. Needs to be plugged in for 1/2 hour to start it. Tires are 18 x 38's. |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2017 at 9:54am
| Resurrected from the dead a second time lol |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2017 at 12:07pm
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Bob J Wi wrote:Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2017 at 7:03pm
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I have a 1968 190xt, use it bailing, running 9ft AC 390 haybine and even tethered and racked the hay when the D15 battery was dead. I love the large deck, good visibility from the operators seat, hydrolic pto, and of course the power director makes slowing down for turns cake. Knotched power director isn't an issue for me as you get used to pushing down on the lever before shifting. Turns very short and with slight pedal pressure on the brake keeps from tearing up the field. Easy on fuel and plenty of power. And the sound out of the straight piped 301 is awesome. If the 200 is a better version of my 190xt then I would buy one. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2017 at 8:21am
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Hey, I commented on this thread almost 5 years ago! Now I own a late 200 and will give it a good run in the spring. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Bear Taylor
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2018 at 2:54pm
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My neighbor borrowed my AC 170 to finish bailing hay when his old Ford tractor gave up the ghost (at least for a while). He is making a deal to purchase an AC 200 so he can make the change from small rectangle bales to the big round bales. If the deal goes through he needs me to haul the 200 to his farm, about a 70 mile pull. I have a heavy duty equipment trailer but I would like to know about how much a 200 weighs. It hauls the 170 with a front end loader with no issues. The trailer is a full eight feet wide. |
Posted By: Jim Hancock
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2018 at 4:07pm
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Posted By: Jim Hancock
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2018 at 4:08pm
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The weight of the tractor is also determined if it has weights anywhere and fluid in the tires. ------------- How blessed we are by HIS GRACE! |
Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2018 at 4:56pm
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Just drive her home. That is how I got mine from Floyd to Algona. Saw some pretty country and went past the spot where Buddy Holly's plane went down. I don't want to start a fight with the D21 guys, but the 200 has the prettiest grill. I wish the throttle placement would have carried into the 7000's. I wish the 200 could have had a live pto and a steering wheel with the spokes evenly spaced. I also wish the front weights were cheaper and easier to find. ------------- 2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2018 at 7:32am
 Now I got to go look at mine. I never noticed. There should be a Trivial Pursuit game made about Allis.------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Bear Taylor
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2018 at 9:50am
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Thank you Jim. It looks like I am good to go to haul my neighbor's tractor. Heck, maybe I might get the opportunity to borrow it to go for a little drive in the country. I think he liked my Allis and decided to get one for himself. He originally was looking for a John Deere 4010 or 4020. |
Posted By: harry lodge
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2018 at 2:48pm
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I have a 1974 200 and love it. I recently dug a pond pulling a dirt pan and it performed like a jewel. Other than the occasional wheelie when coming up hill I had no problems. Love that straight pipe 301. ------------- Romans 8:28 200AC,8N,450 Farmall,350 Farmall, B Farmall |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2018 at 7:55pm
| you'll all love them straight pipes a little less when yer 60...huh? i didn't catch that! |
Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2018 at 2:06pm
| You might love them straight pipes, I now wear hearing ad at a cost of about $7,000.00. |
Posted By: Bear Taylor
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2018 at 8:35am
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We hauled my neighbor's 200 without any issues. It started up and Tom was able to drive it right on my equipment trailer. The trailer has eight tires on the ground and handled the weight just fine. The tractor is probably the heaviest piece of equipment I will ever need to haul. I did get a chance to take a close look at my neighbor's new purchase. The 200 appears to be a pretty beefy tractor however it tends to jump out of gear in 4 high. Tom said 4 low works fine and all of the other gears seem to be okay too. The nice thing is the 200 came with the original shop manual.
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Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2018 at 9:10am
| Thanks everyone from 2012-2018 for posting about AC 200 tractors. I enjoyed the read. |