Fiat Allis 11-B
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Topic: Fiat Allis 11-B
Posted By: Lazyts
Subject: Fiat Allis 11-B
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2012 at 10:21am
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Just wondering if anyone knows of a good 11-B dozer for sale. Prefer high serial number, OK if it needs undercarriage or other work done, anywhere in the mid-west. My email address is lazyts@hotmail.com. Thanks
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Posted By: Mactractor
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2012 at 2:12am
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Lookin for powershift or direct drive tractor? Some real good lookin 11Es (direct drive) tractors up for grabs a while ago.
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Posted By: Lazyts
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2012 at 9:56pm
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Powershift is the way to go, I think, and Allis got it right with the series B.
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Posted By: HD6 Merv
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2012 at 12:32am
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Anyone know just what was the last s/n of 11-B was ?
Last Allis Chalmers built one was 18798 in 1974
supposedly built by Fiat Allis until 1977. Have seen 18801 in NZ.
And saw one for sale in the US years ago where owner said it was 19485.
Curious if anyone knows of a higher or last serial number ?
Ones i listed were both powershift.
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tits tyres and tracks
they all cost you money
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Posted By: Lazyts
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2012 at 8:54am
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The newest one I've owned was 19590, 1976. I'm pretty sure they went pretty close to 20000, but haven't seen any newer myself. Starting around the 19400 mark they had an underhood muffler and the exhaust stack was further back, but not many of them still have the muffler these days.
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Posted By: Mactractor
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2012 at 11:58am
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What are the features of the series B tractors you see as "Allis getting it right", bearing in mind that the running gear is the same as later HD11EP?
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Posted By: Lazyts
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2012 at 10:19pm
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I'm not the expert on A-C, and the EP was a good tractor, but the hydraulics were slow, and the early ones had a tendency to run hot. Eventually the trans. cooler, radiator, fan and torque converter were changed to make that issue better. The series B, though, had a larger radiator and fan again, and they won't run hot unless there is a problem. The straddle mounted saddle on the track frames for the front bar was a good idea on the series B- not too many of them ended up with bent track frames. The segmented sprockets were a good idea, and the operator's platform is laid out nice. (same as the last EPs) As far as the hydraulics go, the stacking valves were a nice feature, hydraulic function faster, and the quick drop valves on the cylinders are a neat thing, I think. I guess the point is, I like 'em. I like the old ones too, though, I've had just about all of them- HD11B, HD11E, HD11S, HD11ES, HD11EP, HD11 Series B and 11-B.
At serial number 18799, the 11-B was fitted with a Roosa-master injection pump, replacing the German Bosch P pump the earlier ones had. I think the earlier ones have a little more push, but it could be just my imagination.
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Posted By: Mactractor
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2012 at 2:39am
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Thats something I was misinformed on. Was told the Roosa pump was between the old Ambac PSB and the German Bosch inline. My old EP with the Ambac seems to have a much throatier and louder combustion bark than my series B with the Roosa. They both have TO6 turbos, so no obvious reason for the difference in sound.
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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2012 at 4:28am
I almost bought a FA 11B in Salem MO some years back, big machine, lots of purpose but I backed away as I found parts here were scarce. The old dozer was still for sale for $10,500 last time I drove into Salem last year. Mike Smith had it for sale with a few other pieces of machinery(he runs a dozer service), I think it was listed on Contractor Supply or some web site like that. I will look back.
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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2012 at 4:30am
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It was contractorshotline.com and I was wrong on the price $18,500, still there and been for sale for years.
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Posted By: Lazyts
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2012 at 8:33pm
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Mactractor- the late EPs had a Roosa master pump as well, starting at serial number 12001, I believe. The Series B then changed to the Bosch pump, then back to the Roosa Master after the Fiat merger- no doubt to save cost. The Bosch is technically a better pump, but expensive.
DMiller- thanks for the help. I was just in MO on the weekend looking at another 11B, and several other 11s as well- ended up seeing 14 on the trip. You know, I've not been stumped on a part for an HD11 yet.... might have to retire from the game sometime though!
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Posted By: Lazyts
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2012 at 8:50pm
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By the way, Mactractor- what island do you live on? A good friend of ours is travelling the South Island right now shearing sheep.
Interesting facts of HD11s:
Cost of HD11E tractor with angle dozer in 1960- $21000 US
Cost of 11-B with dozer around 1975- $65000 US
Wonder what the cost would be today?
Also heard the other day that you could buy a 16B right at the factory in Springfield in 1982 when they closed the doors for $65000- with no warranty.
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Posted By: Mactractor
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2012 at 12:20am
Trevor, I`m at Thames in the North Island. New Zealand is a very small country. Thames is only 350 miles north of Wellington where you step off the inter-island ferries from the south. Your friend is most welcome if he wants to visit.
Cheers
Mac
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Posted By: West Logging
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2022 at 4:50pm
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Any one know if the year of manufacture can be worked out by the serial number. Mine is Fiat- Allis 11b 25L-18802 would like to how old this is. Think it was sold in New Zealand by Cable-Price around 1980
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