Allis Chalmers 8050 FWA.
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Topic: Allis Chalmers 8050 FWA.
Posted By: R.W
Subject: Allis Chalmers 8050 FWA.
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2011 at 12:10pm
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I need your opinions on them. The main purpose would be tillage, but to pull our equipment it would have to be turned up to at least 190hp. Would the motor and drive train take it? Do they have any major problems? What would it take to add a 3rd set of remotes? Also what would one to expect to pay for a low hour 8050 FWA?
Thanks in advance.
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Posted By: Dans 7080
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2011 at 12:33pm
| What are you pulling that would require 190hp? |
Posted By: R.W
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2011 at 1:09pm
| 21' disk and packer or 21' finish tool. |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2011 at 1:14pm
| i pull 21 ft with my 7010 2wd |
Posted By: R.W
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2011 at 1:15pm
| All the way down in soft sand? |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2011 at 1:15pm
| i do have an 18 ft plow disk, that required my 7080! it was turning 200 hp, but could pull on the high side of the PD tranny! |
Posted By: KGood
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2011 at 1:19pm
| I've heard a lot of guys say that engine will run 200HP all day. Just keep the RPM's the same. I don't know about the 8050 drivetrain but I would think it would be ok. Is the frontend the same as 8070? |
Posted By: HagerAC
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2011 at 1:29pm
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They will typically hold together at around 200 Hp. 8070 may be a better way to go though. ------------- 30+ A-Cs ranging from a 1928 20-35, to a 1984 8070FWA, Gleaner R52 |
Posted By: Dans 7080
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2011 at 3:31pm
| Are you looking to replace your 1586? A 150hp fwa will put perform a 200hp 2wd almost anyday. I have a 7060 and 7080 turning 210hp and always have plenty of power traction is my issue, I pull a 26ft disk and 24ft field cultivator without trouble. My 7040 at 140 will pull them just fine too. |
Posted By: R.W
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2011 at 4:11pm
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Dans 7080 wrote:Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2011 at 5:39pm
| Our 8050 has been running around 220 its whole life. |
Posted By: Rfdeere
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2011 at 6:08pm
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Let's see :
1586 8050
Drawbar HP: 134.94 131.44
PTO HP: 161.55 152.40
weight: 13600- 15305-
17600 19380
The FWA 8050 will easily walk the dog past a 2wd 1586. ------------- Randy Freshour,Member Indiana AC Partners, http://www.rumelyallis.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.rumelyallis.com |
Posted By: R.W
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2011 at 7:45pm
| So your guys are saying that a 8050 FWA Power Shift will hold up running at 200hp pulling a 21' finish tool? |
Posted By: JimWenigOH
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2011 at 8:43pm
| To add a third set of remotes you would need $2200 for the kit from AGCO, or $850 from a salvage yard. I just bought a set for mine. Looks to be a pretty simple operation. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2011 at 9:11pm
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The engine and driveline will last longer at 152 HP than 190 HP and that's a fact. FWA tractor engines never last as long as a regular 2WD engine because the slippage is much less and the engine pulls down, where a 2WD will spin the rear wheels more easily making the engine's load a bit lighter. If for some reason you choose to ignore the warning, be sure to remove the muffler and install a muffler eliminator to drop exhaust temps by 100 degrees. |
Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2011 at 9:17pm
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I use an add on remote that works well. It plugs it into an existing hydraulic outlet and the hydrualic lever will operate two remotes either at the same time or independently, selected by two toggle switches in the cab. If you really want to crank it up to 200 hp I would suggest to go with an 8070 in the first place. I doubt running 200hp through the powershift would be a problem. The only problem with the powershift is it's getting hard to find some parts if something goes wrong. The hard part will be finding a low hour 8050 or 8070. I'd say a clean low hour one will start in the $25,000 area and go up from there. Anything cheaper is going to need some work or have quite a few hours on it.
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Posted By: TREVMAN
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2011 at 9:42pm
| Find an 8070 fwd, having operated both a 1586 and a 8070, I'm gonna suggest that after a few hours you will be happy to drive the IH over a cliff. It will easily out pull a 1586, and be so much easier to operate and service. A lot more comfortable and fuel efficent. 8050 is a far better tractor than a 1586 too, but for the extra cash, find a 8070, youll be pleased. You wont need to turn up the pump either, Ive never seen an 8070 at rated, they pull real strong, my 2 cents, Trev. |
Posted By: MI8050
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2011 at 4:46am
| The guy I farmed with has a good running 1486 that did all the heavy work until I bought my 8050. The first time he did tillage with the Allis he told me you just couldn't hear the engine labor, he seemed to be complimenting the cab and engine, it's quiet to run and at 165hp it never labors much anyway. It's a good old tractor. |
Posted By: R.W
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2011 at 7:11pm
| Thanks for the info guys you are alot of help! |