Replacement for Ford 3 Cyl diesel
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Topic: Replacement for Ford 3 Cyl diesel
Posted By: JimD
Subject: Replacement for Ford 3 Cyl diesel
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2011 at 10:15am
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Well, think my forklift has finally given up the ghost. It's a Warner Swayze with a Ford 3 Cyl industrial Diesel. Engine model is 333 per label. Has increadible suction (will collapse intake hose if filter is plugged). But exhaust will actually suck you hand to the pipe while cranking. Last year it would take a really good battery and a shot of either and 1 cylinder would fire. Then the other 2 would lite, and run. While working, it lost the oil fill plug, and apparently the blowby tossed enough oil out to really over heat. I shut it down, and it hasn't started since. New battery, pulled injectors and test all 3. Even soaked cylinders with deep creep while injectors were out. Blow by is such that out the valve cover I'm getting more air than out the muffler! So, I can rebuild this thing or try and engine swap. I have never swapped for a different engine, so I'm a rookie here. Does anyone know of a gas (this is the only diesel here) engine that would be an easy swap. Really hoping somone will tell me of an AC that will fit in well. Not a very big engine, so I'm thinking a 125 gasser would have the guts and I know a little about them :) JImD
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Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2011 at 1:44pm
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Sounds like valves or seats are bad with low compression, will make it hard starting .
Should be able to rebuild it complete . Take it out and see what is binding up on crank end if you spun a bearing or ? Never liked that little Ford engine, looked at a New Holland skid steer 785 , one had Perkins 4 cyl and otherthe Ford 3 cyl, I bought the perkins unit as it had more power and ran smooth.
I just sold a Doitz 3 cyl air cooled to a guy from Peoria IL to put into his skidsteer as his Ford put a rod through the block.
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Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2011 at 9:58pm
Those 3 cylinder Fords are well built engines. They don't have sleeves so they can be bored and sleeved or just bored. Lots of those engines around, the gas and diesel use the same block and crank. Different pistons and head.
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Posted By: JimD
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2011 at 10:30pm
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John, you are the first person I've heard of that liked that engine. Everyone else seems to loath it. Really don't think the head is the issue since the blowby is so bad. I really think the years oe ether put a hole in the piston(s). As soon as I can get a customer's tractor wrapped up I'll get it under a sling and pull the head and decise how far to go from there. I can get pistons/rings/gaskets. I would just prefer to drop in an AC. But doesn't look like that's going to happen. JimD
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Posted By: Tad Wicks
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2011 at 10:38am
JimD, Ford built many different displacements from a single block and depending on the bore and stroke, it can cost your first born to rebuild it. I rebuilt one in a Ford Backhoe that had a scored piston that cost over $300 for one piston, "yes" for one piston(20 years ago), without rings and it was only available through Ford, very, very expensive, but, other bore and stroke combinations were not nearly that costly. As was mentioned, they are not a sleeved engine, but in my opinion, a very durable and tough motor. The major problem that I have encountered with the Ford engine is rotten soft plugs, almost every problem inside the engine was caused by leaking soft plugs in the head under the rocker assembly, and there are two big ones behind the flywheel you have to pull the engine to get to. The other thing with the Ford 3 cylinder is with my feet on the floorboards, it always felt like there was cylinder missing( insert smiley face here) Tad
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Posted By: Mactractor
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2011 at 2:49pm
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I`m hearin ya there Tad. Hell knows where the theory of 3 cyls being the smoothest engines goes with those. perkins 3 even worse, the one in my Lincoln welder tries to jump outa the frame somewhere down around 700 rpm. Dont get any of that nonsense with 371 Jimmy though.
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Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2011 at 5:04pm
It is funny that the 3-71 runs smooth and so does the 2-71 GM, must be because they are 2 stroke. I have heard the 3 cy Ford ran good but any one i have run seem to be out of tune or I should have run it a few days back as right now it needs some work, or tune up
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"Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful."
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Posted By: Tad Wicks
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2011 at 7:45pm
Yep, the old HD7 is smooth as glass scream'n at 1500( insert smiley face here). The 2 stroke sure makes a difference, I rebuilt a 150 horse Force 5 cylinder boat engine, inadvertently I pinch grounded a CDI control wire, when I installed the stator, it was down a cylinder and the only way I could tell was by the lack of rpm, I sure couldn't feel it. The Perkins/Lincoln were absolutely hated by most that worked off of their trucks for the simple reason when something was tacked up it would be shaken apart before it could be welded, especially the 5P boys ( insert another smiley face here). Tad
who has more fun than people on tractors with preferably more than 3 cylinders( unless it is a Detroit)??
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Posted By: Hurst
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2011 at 8:38pm
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If that's a 201 engine, I believe it is just a 3 cylinder version of the 401 or 268 engine, both of which are great enines, in my opinion. The 4 and 6 cylinder counterparts will run forever with maintenance. If that's the case, rebuilding it would be pretty inexpensive compared to many engines. I would recommend boring it out and resleeving it, as those engines, like many diesels, can have a problem with cavitation if the cooling system wasn't maintained, and it wouldn't be much fun to bore it out, rebuild it oversized, only to have a small leak pop up on one of the cylinder walls where you bored out at a weak spot in the casting.
Hurst
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Posted By: Mactractor
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2011 at 9:36pm
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The british made CAV pump on the perkins has failed, so when time comes, a 271 GM will go in that welder. Would have been a better choice for Lincoln from start.
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Posted By: Tad Wicks
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2011 at 10:00pm
Mac, Miller used the first generation 3 cylinder Deutz, same problem, Lincoln finally got smart and used the second generation Deutz in their "Classics" what a phenomenal welder. As I recall there was one that used a 5 cylinder Deutz and one cylinder was used for an air compressor, great idea. I am not a big fan of CAV injection, well the pump is OK, the filters and filter bases really suck as well as the grommented fuel lines. Miller is now using the tiny Kubota water cooled diesels and boy are they smooth and efficient and they are no bigger than a lunch box, I wish that I had bought my Trailblazer with one. Tad
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Posted By: Mactractor
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2011 at 11:54pm
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The Lincolns here are Australian built Tad. They use Kubotas in the later models. Very smooth, but too expensive for me at the time, so settled for the ol perkins. When I get rich and famous, things `l` be different :-) Mac
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Posted By: D-17_Dave
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2011 at 11:04pm
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Just rebuilt my 555 bakhoe w/ the 3 cyl. engine. Only reason for breaking it down was the block leaked water into the oil. These engines had weak webbing in the block casting around the lower cylinders. IF you do rebuild it, mix up some industrial epoxy and poor it into the block up to the bleed hole in the water jacket. This seals up the webbing. It still doesn't run as smooth as a 4 cyl. and I totally agree with the oddity of a 3 cyl. 4 stroke engine. But it's an incredibly dependable engine, cranks perfect in most any temp. and handles the backhoe very well. I've got close to 2000.00 in the rebuild, but that included all new belts, hoses, sending units, water pump, alt, complete engine kit, machine work, and filter and seals for the torque converter while I was in there and inj. pump rebuild, fuel tank boiled out and coated. Basicly have a new tractor as far as the power end of it. 4x4 w/ 4in1 bucket, Cat953 teeth on cutting edge. I use this thing like it's a track loader. Really more than I should. I'm very pleased with how the engine runs out now. A rebuild done right on this engine you won't regret.
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