These Black Vinyl Reproduction seat cushions  remind me of the country and western song. "Don't give me no plastic saddle. I want to feel the leather when I ride"

 

A little recent info on the early B seat shows it not to be a perfect rectangle/square. Factory drawings show it to be taller in the front and tapering to shorter in the back. These early ones has SSS springs as a foundation running front to back with padding and a canvas covering.

The later B/C seats had coil springs clipped together like a mattress with padding and a canvas cover.

Any canvas upolstry covering even if it is just over a black vinyl foam filled modern reproduction would be more  authentic in appearance than yuck black vinyl.

   The ones I have sewn up have the pipeing welt on the seam. Seems to be what I remember as a little Kid. It shows up pretty well in the above photos.

    I 'm not real shur about the black coaster corners. They would sorta hard to reproduce if thats original equipment.

   I shur as heck don't remember any striped seat canvas. I do remember a burlap tater sack wraped around the metal seat back and held there with binder twine though.

   If your as old as Me you would remember nothing about seeing any black vinyl seats in Allis dealer showrooms. My favorite AC dealer was Yonker Implement on the south east corner of Rts 6&7 in Orland Township Illinois. 159th and Wolf Road wasn't it?

 

I bought this C this past summer, and wondered about this seat. It is a spring coil seat, with padding under the seat upholstery. I really believe now, after seeing other photos that this could be the original seat. I know it does not look exactly like the other seat in the pictures above, but dang, its got 2 of the same original corner tabs on the bottom (See pictures). Also, 2 moisture holes in the plywood. The color is a tan color, but hey, I am sure they could have changed over the years???

 

BTW....Everything on this C tractor is very original, other than its been painted once. But the water temp gauge, amp gauge, oil pressure gauge, all WORK and are very readable...

 

You guys tell me, think this seat is original, or not??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You can see the thin padding, under the torn cover in the above photo. The padding is right on top of the coil springs.

 

 

Good picture of the corner tab...

 

 

 

 

Dusty

    Lots of good stuff about what a ORIGINAL B/C seat cushion should look like. If two separate examples show the METAL corner fittings they are probably correct. A picture of the cardboard tag with the part number to make a copy would be cool.

    I notice some folded corners on pictured the covers. Some have them and some don't. The parts books show a seamed corner and no fold. If I was to make a guess the seat on the C has been recovered . The fabric itself looks different and the exposed double stitching is not what I remember. The way the grain of the fabric rolls down on the ends making a fold  necessary just don't look original.

     What we really need is a original padded seat back like those used only in 37 and 38.

 

Still cool to think that the coil springs seats are original, I had no idea.

 

We have made reproduction seats in the past, just out of 5 inch foam padding, no coils.

Dusty

    Thats the McMaster-Carr page I tried to pull up this morning . What you show highlited is the very best top grade OD Green Cotton Duck I used. It will almost stand up by itself.

 

This is what he had on there. Brown canvas duck on the outside, followed by a tablecloth, then a foam chair cushion, then a flour sack. And under that....

 

 

The original seat cover! Has the welt on each end. Seat still has one of the corner coasters on it.

 

 

Here's the stuffing. Much like the others. Straw ticking and cotton padding.

 

 

The bottom.

 

 

And it in it's normal position. Looks right at home there with the rusted off fenders and all, right? LOL!

 

Also, can't really tell m the pics, but it's OD green canvas.

Joe, that seat doesn't look like it would be too comfortable as it is. I haven't sat down on it since I removed all of the padding, but I bet it would get hard pretty quick. I figure most enterprising farmers would add whatever they could find to smooth out the ride a bit.

 

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There you have it....Now.......You guys tell me....Think its original or not??

 

I really am beginning to think this was......

 

 

Makes me wonder if the canvas was a recover at some point? And the burlap instead of being on the coils, was then placed on top of the canvas??? Does that seem right?

 

Still wouldn't make sense, that someone would recover it 2 times that way, I don't understand that part.

   The 38 vintage cushion used wavy SSSSS springs running front to back. They are clearly shown with a part # in parts books.  I have a complete set, from the Brett Phillips collection, of what are supposed to be  NOS replacement springs. They seem to be to short work properly. Laying flat they don't reach the distance required from front to back of the seat. Lots of old upholstered ez chairs and rockers used these wavy SSSSS flat springs, You can see them when you turn a old chair over.

 

Don, it looks to me like you have a recover of a recover since it doesn't appear to have the welts and the corners are folded.

   sbakers's seat has been recovered due to the fact the edges of the canvas were folded over, sewn then stapled.  Finishing the edges of the canvas like that would not have been a standard manufacturing practice. Plus you wouldn't have the seams running across the front and back sides given the fact that the seams are the weakest part of a cover due to the thread.

   I find it interesting that I'm in Maryland and DREAM lives in Georgia and we both have seats identical in every way which both came with the 1950 C. Given all the information I've accumulated I would have to conclude that these seats are original to these machines.

   I do know that AC had a couple of companies making seat for them and their seats may have had a different construction. If they used a zigzag (no-sag) spring it would typically have a wooden box frame to attach the spring.

      If you are going to restore a B or a C, make it look like as close to what it LOOKED LIKE WHEN NEW. As far as I know Bs and Cs didn't come NEW with Black Vinyl covered seat cushions. Or. Persian Orange #2 paint.

Craig