wd and 4 bottom plow
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Topic: wd and 4 bottom plow
Posted By: TREVMAN
Subject: wd and 4 bottom plow
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2011 at 11:28pm
| Will a WD pull a 4 bottom plow? One coming up at auction near me, they tend to sell for next to nothing and I'm interested as I have some breaking to do. Cant tell brand as it is locked up until sale day. It is a trailer type if that makes any difference, thanks, Trev. |
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Posted By: AC WD45
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2011 at 11:45pm
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Should, with proper weight distribution and low gear a wd will pull quite a bit. if a 45 gasser can pull a 4 like a d17, the wd should handle it OK, but it depends on what you are pulling in. ------------- German Shepherd dad 1957 Allis Chalmers WD45 #WD234847 1951 Allis Chalmers WD #WD88193 |
Posted By: Rfdeere
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2011 at 11:57pm
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A WD WILL NOT pull a 4 Bottom, unless it is not in the ground ! ------------- Randy Freshour,Member Indiana AC Partners, http://www.rumelyallis.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.rumelyallis.com |
Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2011 at 12:55am
| My WD has a pretty good load with a pull type 2- 14's in our good soil, the clay really works it. It does better with the 2 bottom mounted (pin hitch) I don't think a WD would handle a 4 bottom unless you've got sand and / or the motor had been souped up. |
Posted By: Matt (NEIA)
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2011 at 1:38am
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My thought is that it will be too much for the wd. The WD is way too light to pull a 4 bottom pull plow not too mention under powered. but hey if you can buy it cheap go for it and see what happens ------------- 1955 WD-45 with factory PS |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2011 at 6:01am
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You can pull a 4 bottom trailer plow all day long , in a parade. Traction booster is half of the set-up for plowing with a WD or 45. You won't have that with a trailer plow.If you're plowin blow sand, it might work if you can keep the tractor from sinking in. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: BobHnwO
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2011 at 8:00am
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It should pull it,but only 3" deep,lol.
------------- Why do today what you can put off til tomorrow. |
Posted By: Terry GA
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2011 at 9:18am
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Put a set of loaded duels on the back and a 170 govenor spring in and it should pull it.Stock imo would be too much for it,but have never tried a 4 with my wd.I use a 2/14 and thats all it wants in tight ground,could not imagine doubling the load. ------------- I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder. |
Posted By: Kcgrain
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2011 at 9:39am
| On youtube there is a vid of a 45 diesel pulling 4 and walking right along, shined up properly set snap coupler I would say you might have a chance, but 4 on a trailer no way |
Posted By: TREVMAN
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2011 at 10:08am
| Kinda what I figured. The soil is loamy but is in grass for at least 30 years. I'm looking at this thing from 40 yards away but it looks like a plow or two could be dropped off with not much trouble. I dont need to plow a foot deep, 6 inches would be plenty. Plows here are rare as everyone quit plowing during the thirties as all the soil was blowing away. Mostly they end up on peoples front lawns at acreages and farms. this one has rubber tires and will likely sell for $50 bucks. Thanks for the replies, Trev. |
Posted By: TedBuiskerN.IL.
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2011 at 10:10am
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That video is my diesel in some nice ground. Those were the packed headlands though, and it was easier going down the sides as we finished off that field. I have seen a WD with M&W's pulling a 4-14 fully mounted plow, but not a trailer type plow. There is a possibility it could do it in nice ground with the traction booster hitch Allis had available for it's trailer plows. ------------- Most problems can be solved with the proper application of high explosives. |
Posted By: Nathan (SD)
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2011 at 10:10am
| That 45 diesel on YouTube is breaking-in a fresh 10 year long overhaul. It belongs to Ted B. I think he posted on here once that it had more than factory hp too. There is a reason that they video taped it. Some things you just have to see, to believe. |
Posted By: TedBuiskerN.IL.
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2011 at 10:13am
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Any four bottom plow in reasonably good condition is worth a couple hundred bucks around here. More if it is not a hydralic lift plow, but has the trip rope type clutch lift. ------------- Most problems can be solved with the proper application of high explosives. |
Posted By: TedBuiskerN.IL.
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2011 at 10:17am
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Actually that diesel dynoed 47 PTO HP, ------------- Most problems can be solved with the proper application of high explosives. |
Posted By: AC WD45
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2011 at 10:49am
They said the same thing about a Chevrolet....  ------------- German Shepherd dad 1957 Allis Chalmers WD45 #WD234847 1951 Allis Chalmers WD #WD88193 |
Rfdeere wrote:Posted By: Kcgrain
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2011 at 10:49am
| thats over stock you rebel!!!!!!!!!!!LOL |
Posted By: Kcgrain
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2011 at 10:50am
| That was Tom T Hall driving in the TV ads and the back was full of tractor weights to do it |
Posted By: Dipstick In
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2011 at 10:59am
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Back in the late sixties I had a 4 wheel Chevy with a pto and I used it to pull a fertilizer cart and 6 ton of fert. It worked pretty good and rode better and faster than a tractor. Besides that left my tractor still hooked to the plow. It was nice to go to town, get a load, come back and spred. ------------- You don't really have to be smart if you know who is! |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2011 at 11:10am
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Can it pull it. Sure, but all things would have to be perfect from soil type, soil moisture, tractor condition, weights and proper plow set-up. The general answer is no since rarely would everything be just right. ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: Dipstick In
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2011 at 11:39am
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Late fifties my uncle pulled a three bottom no. 8 Little Genius IHC 16" plow with a Super MTA in third gear. I pulled a two btm #8-16 with a 49 WD in third. Ground was sandy loam to black clay in half mile thru's. He would do fine till he got to the black dirt and then have to drop a gear(TA pulled back) till he got out of it. The WD would hog through it, but would drop a lot of r's. We pretty much ran together, but in a half day he might gain a quarter to a half a pass. In 5 1/3 hours he needed to get gas, cause at 5.5 he would be walking.(been there done that!), while I could run almost another hour and use three quarters of a tank. Short answer to your question, if you can buy it cheap(50-75 bucks) do so, but dont figure on plowing with it! ------------- You don't really have to be smart if you know who is! |
Posted By: Dipstick In
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2011 at 11:42am
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Oh! we ONLY had to put three TA's in that MTA in the 10 years we owned it! ------------- You don't really have to be smart if you know who is! |
Posted By: wkpoor
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2011 at 1:25pm
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I have never plowed with a WD/WD45. But with my limited experience I would say no way. I pulled an Oliver 4240 (3-16s) this past spring behind my JD5400 with loaded tires (probably weights about 9K with loader) in black rich topsoil and even though it did well I wouldn't have wanted an extra bottom. Don't think a WD cold have pulled this 3 bottom let alone a 4. |
Posted By: Kcgrain
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2011 at 2:05pm
| Heres the thing about plows and tractors, which I have stated before, but.... every farmer thinks his ground is the toughest plowing SOB they have ever encountered, but 9 times out of 10 it isnt the ground thats so tough its the plow. A plow , anybrand, not set pulls like a stone I can stop a 135hp fwa tractor in its tracks with a 4x and can also pull a 6x with no problem in the same ground. A few years back we bought a 4-16 trailer AC plow a kid that use to hang around here wanted to plow in the field days with our 720 Diesel, so I went to the neighbor farm that had some corn silage taken off of to set the plow so he could go play, I pulled 4-16 in tough conditions and it took a good hr to scour, and set the plow, the neighbor came out to plow with me a 4440 and 4-18 and he was begging and we were plowing the same depth and he was moving slightly faster but not much than the 720. Did the 720 have the power to keep up with a 4440, not hardly the difference was the white plow he was pulling wasnt set properly, but because he had the power he could pull it, the 720 could only pull the 4 x because it was set properly.I pulled 3-16 in 4 lo with a D-17 gas in red loamy clay , it was laboring but it wasnt backing down either, and others on here say you cant hardly pull 3-16 with a d-17, it all in the set up. Just because a plow is in the ground and turning a furrow doesnt mean it is doing it properly. |
Posted By: cwhit
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2011 at 2:47pm
| Buy it cheap and unbolt 2 bottoms.. |
Posted By: Auntwayne
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2011 at 3:05pm
| I have been wanting to get a four bottom s/c for one of our WDs for some time, I think Ryan is tired of me showing him for sale ads every week. The three bottom just isn.t big enough. |
Posted By: Kcgrain
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2011 at 3:40pm
| Depending on the way the plow is made you cant just unbolt a bottom or two to make it pull easier you will screw up the line of draft and it will not pull correctly |
Posted By: Bill_MN
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2011 at 3:50pm
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I don't know what kind of soil you have, but down here 2-16s is almost too much for my WD. I had a mounted 3-14 a couple years ago and the TB just lifted the tractor off the ground. I don't see any possible way a stock WD would ever handle a 4 bottom. Like Kcgrain said, you won't have much luck dropping bottoms, especially 4 to 2. Find a decent 2-14 trailer plow, fill the tires, and bolt on about 600 lbs of wheel weights and go. ------------- 1951 WD #78283, 1918 Case 28x50 Thresher #76738, Case Centennial B 2x16 Plow |
Posted By: nickia
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2011 at 5:56pm
| i have a wd-45 with m&w pistions in it pulled a mounted 4 bottom allis plow front end was every where but the furrow i bought a wide front and front wheel weights and what a difference it made i could pull in 2nd fine but got the cherry red exhaust even the day time shifted down to low or 1st and i can plow all day in corn stocks. breaking new ground i dont believe you could. Nick ia williams iowa good black soil |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2011 at 6:45pm
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I have a gas JD 4020. I bought a 4x 18 AC 2000 monobeam. I could plow everywhere on my farm but in the damp black dirt (Okaboji soil type) I couldn't keep the front wheels on the ground. That might have been from the hitch being too high and from having no extra weight on the front of the tractor. But after the front wheels got up to 6 feet off the ground, I quit plowing, took off the front bottom, moved the hitch over and down, added all the weights I had (about 300 pounds) up front, and plowed in 5th gear instead of 3rd where the tractor didn't have the torque to lift the front wheels. Nominally a 93 hp tractor. Didn't ever have a power problem or a traction problem. I'd think the WD45 might have a chance with 4 12s in the right soil, but not my wet spots and for sure not 4 16s. Some AC plows (50, 60, 70, 80, and 9000 series) were so modular that you can take the frame of a multiple bottom plow apart and make it one or two bottoms less and it will be just like a factory plow, though the hitch details may make that harder. Those AC frames are bolted up of small pieces to make that economy of manufacture practical. The traction booster is probably why the WD45 plows better than other tractors of its HP range and a pulled plow won't allow that. Gerald J. |
Posted By: R.W
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2011 at 7:04pm
What has been done to that WD?!
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Posted By: R.W
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2011 at 7:06pm
What has been done to that WD?!
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Posted By: deereequipment1
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2011 at 7:14pm
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some of the AC plows can be unbolted, to make either 14"
or 16". You could just drop one bottom off, make it a 3, see how it does.
If it won't pull it, then drop another one, make it a 2 bottom. YOu might have to adjust the adjusting arm that goes down the center of the plow (shorten it up), depending on where it mounts. If you get it, post some pics. ------------- Raised on a CA,WD,D10 & D15. Now, proudly own and pull a WD45 high crop, WD45, WC, also own a D-10, D-12, G and a CA. |
Posted By: TREVMAN
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2011 at 7:24pm
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I may have to rethink this deal, it may be a bad idea. I dont want to wreck my WD, I love it more than a man should...Trev. |
Posted By: Chris WI
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2011 at 8:48pm
I have a 4-14 snap coupler plow, and a buddy has a WD, at one of the plow days I have he asked if he could try plowing. The only extra plow I had was my 4-14. I didn't think a WD could pull it, but I stopped and thought about it. The plow is the same vintage as a WD, and the WD was the biggest tractor Allis made at the time, so we gave it a try. the tractor really had no problem pulling it, I was very amazed! The only thing that could have been a problem, was when you would pull the plow out of the ground the front end would get very light, but my 4-14 has the rear lift assist wheel. When the rear wheel would raise the front would stay on the ground without any weights! Without the rear wheel I don't think it would have worked. I think the guys that are saying it is all in the set up of the plow are on to something! |
Posted By: TedBuiskerN.IL.
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2011 at 10:07pm
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Used to pull a 4-14 fully mounted with a narrow front WD45, no front weights, The trick was to snap the throttle shut just as the front came up at the end. Oh, and leave a wide head land. LOL I have also pulled 4-14 in black gumbo with a WD45 gas. Low gear and when I got below 6" I was done, but so was an 8030 FWA with 5-16's ------------- Most problems can be solved with the proper application of high explosives. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2011 at 7:32am
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I pulled a 2x16 mounted plow with my WD easily in 2nd gear at 8 or 9" deep with absolutely no wheel weights or fluid. It was good black soil with a mixture of blue clay. Could go half throttle without a problem. Had to go half throttle to be slow enough so not to pass the JD A ahead of me. I think you'd be better off with a 3 bottom. My uncle used to plow with 3x16 behind his WD all the time pretty easily but in hard ground you'd not want another bottom. I see the old promotional films with a WD pulling a 3 bottom with no added weight or fluid. Pretty nice not to have to worry about fluid. Also plow with a D17 and fully mounted 4x14 in 2nd gear low range pretty nicely in that same blue clay alfalfa sod with a lot of people scratching their heads wondering how it handles it so fine while the 720s and 880s can hardly pull a 3x16 in the same ground. While I've been rambling here I got the solution! Buy the 4 bottom. Now you go looking for a D17. Later get a 2 or 3 bottom for the WD. Problem solved. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: j.w.freck
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2011 at 9:33pm
| I WILL GO ALONG WITH CWHIT,BUY IT CHEAP,REMOVE ONE OF THE BOTTOMS AND GET IT ADJUSTED CORRECTLY...A 4 BOTTOM PLOW ON A WD IS ABUSE TO THE TRACTOR.BACK ON THE FARMS IN INDIANA WE HAD 3 MOUNTED PLOWS.IN THE RIVER BOTTOMS IT WAS FINE.THE RICH BLACK GUMBO REALLY MADE THEM SNORT... |
Posted By: TREVMAN
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2011 at 7:18pm
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Went to the auction today, it was a International Plow Chief. Being that it is too big for the WD, worn out and an IH, I walked away. I'll look for an Allis 3 bottom for the WD. Thanks for all your replies, TREV. |
Posted By: D-allis Iowa
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2011 at 7:32pm
| I was practally raised on a WD and in no way would I attempt to use a 4 bottom with a WD on our soils. Go a little faster and don't work the tractor with a 2 or 3 bottom plow and you will get more acres plowed. I have a 4 bottom monoframe plow and if you could hook it up I think it would lift the front of the tractor off the ground. I have lighter plows also and I could pull them to the field with the WD. The WD is a great tractor but in my opinion it was not designed for a 4 plow. |