"Restoraion" rant
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Topic: "Restoraion" rant
Posted By: AaronSEIA
Subject: "Restoraion" rant
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2011 at 5:26pm
| Was at a large festive event in Des Moines, IA yesterday and was looking at some tractors that have been restored by students in blue jackets. I hope the one I'm going to rant about doesn't read this. Was a good looking WD from about 20'. Had a nice paint job and new rubber donated by Titan tire. Then I saw the rusted out (but painted over) battery box, the custom (done by the flaming wrench) shifter, no boot on the shift tower, steering bracket put on after the paint job and was bare metal. Few other details I forgot. I know there is a huge amount of work that goes into a paint job, but ...really? For under $50 the kid could have gotten a good shift lever and new rubber boot. Under $100 for a battery box and a fizz can of paint to hit the steering bracket. There is a reason that I keep my tractors in their work clothes. Part of it is my inability to paint, but part of it is my own personal quirk that says it doesn't deserve paint untill it's "right". Some day I hope my 2 boys are wearing blue jackets standing next to tractors at this event. Their tractors will be "right" before they get sprayed with a DuPont restoration. AaronSEIA |
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Posted By: R.W
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2011 at 5:54pm
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When I paint my tractors there oil leaks will not leak and everything will be fixed and fixed right! |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2011 at 6:20pm
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I could go on a rant about the guy that painted my WC but, you can bet your bottom dollar if anybody asks, I"ll let em know who did the shoddy work. I've already lost 3 months time finishing things up cause he couldn't do the rear seal right the fist time.
------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: dave63
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2011 at 7:23pm
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Getting these things right comes with experiance. These young folks have no experiance becouse they are young. They won't get experiance without making mistakes. As much as i respect what you are saying we need to be glad that they are doing something other then drugs and keep our comments to them positive in order to not discurage them. ------------- The universal answer to all questions is yes, how much do you want to spend? |
Posted By: AaronSEIA
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2011 at 7:42pm
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I very much am glad for what they are doing. The 4-H and FFA buildings are my favorite places to go at the fair. They renew my faith in youth and are full of some incredible work. I guess I don't understand putting something out that isn't the best you can do. If it were my kid I would expect the FFA instructor to discuss with them the options for fixing the obvious stuff. I'd understand a less than show car perfect paint job or a few dings that the kid couldn't get out of the tin. I'm talking about 3 things that'd cost less than $150 that would have made a world of difference in my opinion. I will freely admit to being one of those "show police" that can nitpick every little thing and I guess I am a bit on this one as well. "Doing your best" has a different meaning for me than it does others, I guess. AaronSEIA
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Posted By: Rfdeere
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2011 at 7:46pm
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Sounds like a great chance to volunteer with a great organization, Aaron ! ------------- Randy Freshour,Member Indiana AC Partners, http://www.rumelyallis.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.rumelyallis.com |
Posted By: jhid
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2011 at 8:06pm
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thats why with my truck it was do it right the first time, and I'm planning on following that with everything else I restore ------------- red and green are nice for christmas, but orange is all year round http://www.canadianantiquetractor.com/tractorforum/ |
Posted By: AaronSEIA
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2011 at 8:16pm
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At this point in my life, I do not play well with teens. We had talked about our boys going to the Christan school in Mt Pleasant, but this fall the district we are in is starting an FFA chapter. If it does well and is still there in a few years, that might be the deciding factor. I never was in FFA, but se it as a very valuable organization. I really didn't mean to turn one kids tractor at the fair into a huge deal. I've seen this done at tractor shows all over. "Restored" in my mind means "like new". Not 3 coats of clear coat over what was there. AaronSEIA
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Posted By: dave63
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2011 at 8:22pm
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No dought learning to do the job right is important. Telling some kids that they should have fixed these problems before they paint would help them learn. But some kids will get discouraged and loss interest. I might be one of those thats a little to easy on them. ------------- The universal answer to all questions is yes, how much do you want to spend? |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2011 at 8:36pm
| There are Adult's that Rattle can tractor's and call them a Total Restored Tractor, instead of doing a nice job ,even if the tractor has great sentimental value to them and know BETTER.I agree with Dave .Where did we all start out at !!!!!.Everyone has a differant VALUE of what something MEANS to THEM !!! |
Posted By: Auntwayne
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2011 at 8:37pm
| RESTORED never meant " PAINTED OVER OIL LEAKS" |
Posted By: AllisFreak MN
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2011 at 8:48pm
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I guess the kid could have just let the scrap man have it and sent her to China. Give him a break. ------------- '49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2 |
Posted By: AaronSEIA
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2011 at 9:01pm
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The break has been given. AaronSEIA
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Posted By: Larry Miller
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2011 at 9:25pm
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I don't have equipment or patience to do a good paint job. So I just preserve them by doing as much mechanical and part replacement as I can afford. I can buy 2 tractors for what some put into a paint job. All that others do is fine with me - I have some real dog looking tractors that run well and leak less (one does not leak at all- yea !) Frustrates my wife and does not win any awards at the shows - Man needs to know his limitations. One of mine is poor at painting. No room to list the rest. Having fun with orange is my only goal. ------------- I used to be young and stupid, now I am not young anymore. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2011 at 9:33pm
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I see no reason to bash the kid for trying to restore a tractor. $100 to some people is alot of money. He is young and interested. This might be his first shot. Give him the benifit of the doubt. Im sure if he stays interested he will get better as time goes on. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: AllisFreak MN
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2011 at 9:37pm
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Every generation that comes along is going to care less and less about Allis equipment. Just be happy there are still a few young men and women out there that care. ------------- '49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2 |
Posted By: Dipstick In
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2011 at 9:43pm
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I'm with Steve on this one Aaron, there might be a lot of reasons behind the finish, money, time, talent, advice, the list could go on and on. And maybe he is more aware of the imperfections than you give him credit for. ------------- You don't really have to be smart if you know who is! |
Posted By: Dipstick In
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2011 at 10:04pm
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We have two brothers in our county. One's children attend public school, the other is homeschooled. The first set of kids are normal and fun to talk to and well mannered. They make friends easily. They raise what they show! The second is an extreme stickler for perfection and drives his children to excell. They went to Iowa last year and bought a heifer for 30,000 dollars, that's right thirty thousand! Just to win a county show and then the Indiana State Fair, and probably Louisville. This set of kids are snobby, rude, very inconsiderate and petty. But, their work is always done extremely well with not a hair out of place. When these two sets of kids get into the "real world", my question is which kids are gonna be better prepared for life's little tribulations? Does "can't always judge a book by the cover" apply here? ------------- You don't really have to be smart if you know who is! |
Posted By: Boogerowen
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2011 at 10:05pm
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Well now, I am probably going to ruffle a few feathers here, but I have been reading you fellers posts and have made one or two obeservations that I think should be brought to your attention. First, I think you should realize that everyone is not necessarily interested in a full restoration, maybe just putting a little fresh paint here and there to kinda dress ole Bertha up a little, and then there are you fanatics who nit-pick every nut and bolt to make sure it is correct, and when you have everything better than it was originaly, you put a paint job on that costs more than your home. I say to all of you, do as YOU please, but consider the other fella a little, maybe he has a different desire than you and is not trying to impress anyone but himself. Personally, I would like for my tractors to look DECENT but still not afraid to go to the field and do a days work. GOD BLESS AMERICA...........
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Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2011 at 10:10pm
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The
FFA is a great organization. I may be biased myself being an alumni. LOL! I had
a great advisor / Ag teacher. Restoring
a tractor the first time is a challenge for anyone doing it and for many of
teens, money is hard to come by. You don't know if this young man or woman
spent every spare dime they had to get the tractor to the point it was when you
saw it. Better to put on a new water pump and paint over the rusty battery box now
and save up for a new one later, same with a bent shifter. As
for the unpainted part, a teenager rushing to finish a tractor for a show... I
could see them putting an unfinished piece on just before loading it on the
trailer. Time management is not every young person’s strong point but with time
they usually grow into it. Besides they may be balancing school, chores and a
part time job along with their tractor hobby. I
have been privileged to share my love of farming and old tractors with several young
people with varying levels of mechanical aptitude. It’s been interesting to see
these guys as they learn and mature. And
remember it may have been a joint effort by the chapter so many hands may have
been involved. Unless it was going to be auctioned off the tractor you saw is
more than likely a work in progress. |
Posted By: Jim seIl
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2011 at 10:30pm
| Boogerowen and Dave I would like to meet you guys some time so i could shake your hand and pat you on the back we need more people looking for the positive i took my D-17 to a small show today and these guys would have picked it to peices but I plan on using it i also made 2 little boys day I was leaning on the rear tire and them and their mother was going past and she said don't touch 1 boy saaid he is she said it's probley his tractor I told them they could touch it in fact you can sit on it and I didn't have my camera with me but those smiles just maybe I made a orange lover ? |
Posted By: Bill Deppe/AC Salvag
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2011 at 11:36pm
| I also observed the Allis's displayed and certainly can critique the details, alternators, D17 block in the 45 diesel etc. But I also saw the effort put into the tractors, paint, sheet metal repair etc. As stated, and not knowing what costs have to be met, I'm sure there was pride in the results. Let's realize, the mentor's(instructor, parent etc) is from a younger generation and may not totally recognize the proper details. |
Posted By: David Maddux
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 7:15am
| Remember, for first timers, they don't have a lot of time to get these tractors ready. |
Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 7:19am
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A good teacher should have saw to it the job was done right. I would put the blame on the teacher not the student. Some of these teachers today just have a degree.
MACK
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Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 7:24am
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Aaron, Sounds like it doesn't take much to get you all....................
I think you should not go to Show and Tell. Could be bad for your blood pressure.  ------------- I Love Meatballs and Dumplings on Toast with Gravy and Rosemary and ??? {Open For Suggestions} |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 7:30am
| I would think two kids in blue jackets doing a so so job on a tractor is still way better than two kids out on the street robbing and killing . |
Posted By: KD in SE Ks
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 7:40am
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4-H and FFA kids are it in my book. Most of them work very hard to get where they are. I can't make judgement on the kids tractor, I would have to walk in his shoes first. |
Posted By: AaronSEIA
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 7:43am
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Some things don't take much. I will admit that my post came across as being overly harsh on the student. I really was impressed with many of the tractors and the effort they put into them. I shouldn't have formatted it as a rant, but more as constructive criticism. The fault should be placed on the instructor and it's very well possible that they did run out of time/funds, whatever. It would be fantastic to see that tractor there next year "finished". Maybe that is my point, I think the tractor should have been "finished" before it was painted. I will never again critsize a "restored" tractor. AaronSEIA
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Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 7:51am
| And you will live longer!!!!! |
Posted By: AC WD45
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 7:54am
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Ever consider he is doing what I am? using the battery box etc he has now because he reaan out of time before the far and will finish it up later? My battery box is rusted out in one corner, but right now I don't have the money/time to order a new one, so it will be done next summer. I need to re do the pto housing seal (leaked after I painted it) but again, I do not have money/time/seal to do it, so it will wait till next summer. I need the tractor this winter, and I will use it 100% finnished or not. Not because I got lazy/do a half-assed job, but because I'm out of money/time. I am putting it back together now, even though it needs a touch up coat with a rattle can, finish coat with the gun, new battery box, alternator needs painted, fenders need painted, rims need painted. All of this will be taken care of next spring. ------------- German Shepherd dad 1957 Allis Chalmers WD45 #WD234847 1951 Allis Chalmers WD #WD88193 |
Posted By: Dick L
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 8:03am
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I have a bunch of tractors. I have never (RESTORED) a single one. The only time I have taken a tractor to a show and placed it a line up for show was because it was required to enter them in the pull. I liked to stand a ways away from my tractors and listen to the comments about what people found wrong with them. I found it funny and never took offense to any comments. There is not a bolt or part on the B's and C's that I have not taken apart. However I don't have one of them that I have done that to just the one.
Just having a 70 year old tractor that a person has removed from the fence row and made to (work) is a bigger accomplishment that the most people that will attend a show have or will ever do.
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Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 8:17am
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How right you are.
I like all of mine with original paint and rust. Other people's comments are a good source of entertainment. |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 8:37am
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I would not assume the student could afford the parts. This may be an oppertunity for you to donate those parts for his tractor and then discuss other restoration items or just talk AC. ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 9:07am
| In my world of tractors, a tractor never is finished.I can always find something else that needs to be done , or can be done to improve it. But there comes a point in time when I just say "It's done enough for now." Although I don't have any tractors that are show pieces, (and I wouldn't take em to a show even if they were) I'm sure that at there first show, they would be somewhat "not quite done", but they would get back in the shop at a later date and get tinkered on some more. It's a never ending process and gives me something to look forward to. Suppose that maybe this kids think a little like that? Darrel |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 9:11am
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I don't take mine either.
I stopped doing show and tell in 4th grade. |
Posted By: Leon B MO
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 9:17am
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Aron, I understand your comment. Maybe instead of claiming to be restored it should be listed as reworked. As a "blue jacket" junior, I took first place with a shop-built 4 wheel wagon in the mechanics division at the local fair. It was built hell for stout and looked good. Made every cut and weld myself. Couple days before the fair and it still needs primed and painted, running out of time, I put a little body filler in a few spots instead of grinding, "That's good enough". A day after the ribbons were handed out I noticed someone had scratched the paint off to reveal the putty. At the time I thought "what a jerk" but in the long run I'm glad he did. I felt like I betrayed the instructor,(wasn't his fault) and I realized I could have done a much better job of "finishing" the project. I have lots of respect for the FFA and 4-H, was a long time member of both, but if we don't point out mistakes to the kids, they will think, "Oh that's good enough". I tell my kids now, if your happy with a "B" then you will never get and "A". You should always be trying to do things to the best of your ability. If we don't push our youth who will?
Leon B ------------- Uncle always said "Fill the back of the shovel and the front will take care of itself". |
Posted By: wjohn
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 9:24am
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Back when I was in high school, our FFA restored a '36 John Deere A. We took shortcuts and did a lot of things I never, ever would have done with my own tractors, but if we hadn't I don't think we would have finished it by the end of the school year. All of us learned a lot (including the instructor; it was his first time too) and had a ton of fun working on it. I'm an AC guy, but I'd still jump at the chance to fix up an old 2-cylinder if I found one I could afford. ------------- 1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45 |
Posted By: Reeseholler
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 10:47pm
| They say its the thought that counts. I can't guarantee my allis will be perfect but after putting four years of work into it, I'm happy to see it done. If I don't like it ten years from now I can redo it and do a better job on it. Even if it looks pretty shotty now, someday down the road they might see it and want to make it look better than it is. If it has been repainted in its life and has brush marks, runs, to me its not original so I would like to redo them. if they are truly original, I want to keep them that way unless there isn't any color except brown |
Posted By: jccleav
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 10:59pm
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I looked at that tractor. The thing that jumped out at me was the rear wheels. It looks like they were painted without any prep work done. I posted pictures. |
Posted By: kffischer
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 1:03am
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Don't forget High Schoolers are on their parent(s)' dime. Donations or not, much of the funds needed ultimately come from their parents. Getting a job is harder today whether you're 60, 30 or 15, and the demands placed on students to be involved in multiple activities, above average classes, and maintain good grades, plus chores at home (city folks have "chores" too, I've learned from my wife) leave little time for work or sleep. Some parents can't or won't shell out money for every thing the child does, especially if they do not have interest in the child's project. karl f
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Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 7:49am
| DO NOT SWEAT THE SMALL THINGS in LIFE .You will feel better !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I see this at almost every show I go to ,IT's WHAT IT IS !!! LOL |
Posted By: Butch(OH)
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 8:33am
| Well, they did better than two of my HS classmates who drove tractors into the shop as juniors and HAULED them out just before graduation, LOL. |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 9:08am
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Right Fred, There just tractors.
Get it??? Just a tractor. Did I say there just tractors. LOL 
 ------------- I Love Meatballs and Dumplings on Toast with Gravy and Rosemary and ??? {Open For Suggestions} |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 9:15am
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When I said Get It that was not ment towards you Fred.
It was for the "Correct Police". Oops I did it again. Said police in the wrong forum. Should have posted in the political section because the police are funded by taxpayer dollars as RickUP might say and that makes it political. ------------- I Love Meatballs and Dumplings on Toast with Gravy and Rosemary and ??? {Open For Suggestions} |
Posted By: Boogerowen
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 9:46am
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Well, it is quite apparent to me that Jeff Z. NY has an "attitude" problem that he is having trouble dealing with, let's all pray for him..... GOD BLESS AMERICA !!!!
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Posted By: Dipstick In
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 12:49pm
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Yeh! and if you notice he's a philanderer. Now he's cheating on his first love with sweet little dumpling! Ar least he's not in the closet about it! ------------- You don't really have to be smart if you know who is! |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 12:54pm
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I love my little dumpling!!! ------------- I Love Meatballs and Dumplings on Toast with Gravy and Rosemary and ??? {Open For Suggestions} |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 12:56pm
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Boogerowen, I don't have an attitude problem.
I'm just NUTS!!!! 
------------- I Love Meatballs and Dumplings on Toast with Gravy and Rosemary and ??? {Open For Suggestions} |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 1:05pm
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Two things those kids don't have at their disposal, that we usually do: Time Money Patience Tools Insanity Uh... yeah, that's two, right? Some guys don't do paint well. I'm one of 'em... don't hand me a drywall knife- I'm lousy at that too... good thing tractors ain't finished with drywall mud. Now... field-mud... I can spread that all over a tractor nicely... and gravel dust... and axle grease... |
Posted By: hermin's dad
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 1:28pm
| Seems to me that all the lamenting about tractors and such going to the scrappers we should all be glad that even a bad restoration is preferable to that. |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 2:40pm
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Yea!!!
But they complain when you scrap one and they complain when you paint one. Walters  ------------- I Love Meatballs and Dumplings on Toast with Gravy and Rosemary and ??? {Open For Suggestions} |
Posted By: bill2260
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 2:49pm
| Maybe the student and ffa adisor are, lets say, frugal. Around here they either hire dimwits that know nothing or over achievers that plowed a wide swath and went broke farming as high school ag teachers. Common sense and the the value of a dollar means nothing anymore, Bill |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 4:02pm
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Sounds like this is starting down the political road.
Rememder who pays them teachers. What do you think RickUP? I'm out of here. Color me gone. Grab my stick and get the puck outta here. See ya later alligator. ------------- I Love Meatballs and Dumplings on Toast with Gravy and Rosemary and ??? {Open For Suggestions} |
Posted By: AaronSEIA
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 4:39pm
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My last post on the topics, I promise. Looking back, I should have never posted what I did the way I did. It was petty and critical of me to post about an FFA students tractor as a rant. If I had the parts to donate or knew of a way I could help, I promise I would. My wife and I have bent over backward to help 4H kids with their horse projects. I spent 6 years on the committe that ran the county fair show. My issue with the tractor should have been expressed as an opinion. Opinions are like elbows...everyone has a couple. My opinion was and remains the same. I wouldn't paint it untill it was right. Not knowing why it wasn't made right should have made it impossible for me to beat up on a high school kid and the organization that helped that individual get that tractor to the fair. Maybe as collectors we should all go find an FFA chapter or county 4H to make them aware that we would love to help in any way we can keep the old iron running and looking good. No animated rodents here, just a humble appology. AaronSEIA
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Posted By: Dipstick In
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 5:13pm
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I think it was three years ago that the Jasper Co. Retired Iron Club(In) bought a tractor at our annual auction and donated it to the Rensselaer FFA Chapter to redo and sell in our next years sale. Sale proceeds after costs went to the Chapter.Some of the members donated time, and parts, but due to class time constraints the tractor was not immaculate. It sold the next year but the return was not good enough and the other advisors weren't very interested so It was a project that we dropped. Ya never know till you try! ------------- You don't really have to be smart if you know who is! |
Posted By: jccleav
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 5:41pm
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I am not the best at any of the restore thing. That being said, In my mind there is no reason to be painting over dirt, grease, or other loose debris. A trip to the car wash and $20 does wonders. I understand the tractors not being "Show" condition. I did like seeing orange in the sea of red and green. |
Posted By: VerneM
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 6:53pm
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I love seeing the restored tractors at the fair. Rather than critiquing, I see more opportunity to educate and share my knowledge with the young ones. Sometimes they can educate me and sometimes I can educate them.
------------- Verne - Looking for a http://www.spraysmarter.com/public/buy/category/default.aspx?ID=30 - teejet sprayer for my tractor |
Posted By: 1946WP
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 7:45pm
| RESTORED, REFERBISHED, OR JUST FIXED UP, BEAUTY IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER. MY TRACTORS ARE NOT ALL TAKEN DOWN TO EVERY BOLT AND RESTORED, BUT I STILL LIKE TO SHOW THEM & ENJOY TALKING ABOUT THEM . RESTORED??? I DON'T THINK ANY OF THEM CAME FROM THE FACTORY WITH THE EXPENSIVE PAINT JOBS THESE RESTORED ONES HAVE. I LOVE THEM ALL . |
Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 8:59pm
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My basic rule is, do it the way you want to, but it better be what you say it is. If you like it in work clothes, no problem, if you can't afford a complete restore, but put "some" stuff on it, no problem, but if you tell me it is a factory showroom restoration, it better be, and you better not mind me discussing correctness with you. If you tell me, you tried hard to get it as close as possible, you probably won't hear much but kind words from me, but don't brag, and claim, or I will find problems. If it truely is, a factory showroom restore, then be proud of it. It's just a matter of perpsective, and what you are "claiming" ------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
Posted By: shattercane
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2011 at 12:35pm
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As a Blue coat alum, I will have to say that when I was working on my tractors, my interest was split six ways to Sunday. I had land judging with homesite evaluation, Industrial Arts (Wood Shop), Sports, and all of my other studies to consider every day. Which is why I am now going back through the tractors I restored 15 years ago due to runs in the paint, leaks, dents in the tin work, and poor decal application. There were kids who weren't participating in all of the above that did a lot better job than what I did, but it left me with three tractors that ran good enough to fire up at the various shows we attended. Now I have some fixer upers in my shed again. I understand where you are coming from as it looks like a lack of attention to detail, but it could also be a lack of time in the day for that individual. ------------- 29 L Case, 37 CC Case,40 A-C allcrop 40, 43 B Allis Chalmers, 50 DC Case, 54 WD-45 WF, 67 190 Gas |
Posted By: REEDE
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2011 at 8:17pm
| Restoration has many ideas to people. If they paint it push broom and they are happy so be it at least they tried. If they made it look better than showroom great. Not everyone has the money,time or resourses to do a perfect job. The kids tried their best give them credit. |