Bad Day!!!
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Topic: Bad Day!!!
Posted By: dbounds
Subject: Bad Day!!!
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2011 at 9:34pm
Loader snapped while hualing hay  
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Posted By: omahagreg
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2011 at 9:36pm
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Sorry that happened to you! Bad day indeed! ------------- Greg Kroeker 1950 WD with wide front and Freeman trip loader |
Posted By: fordf350dually
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2011 at 9:48pm
| the only good thing is now you have a reson to do some resteration if you so choose. |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2011 at 9:55pm
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Glad you were not injured. I would have had to go and change my shorts after that. ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: Rfdeere
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2011 at 9:57pm
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Ouch ! Did it take out the radiator ? ------------- Randy Freshour,Member Indiana AC Partners, http://www.rumelyallis.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.rumelyallis.com |
Posted By: TREVMAN
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2011 at 10:11pm
| Yikes, hope you are o.k. Nothing some welding and body work wont deal with. Get some rest and youll have it fixed in a day or two, good luck, TREV. |
Posted By: John WV
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2011 at 10:16pm
| sorry to hear what happen. same thing happen to me about 20 years ago . I put a 1/2 in plate on both sides and welded it and still useing it today |
Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2011 at 10:55pm
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As long as your not hurt, its a great day. And now you have a great reason for buying yourself a "NEW" Miller Wirer Feed Welder. I love my Miller. It makes even my welding look good. |
Posted By: JPG AUSTRALIA
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2011 at 10:58pm
| not good,hope you get it going again soon! |
Posted By: beeman
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2011 at 11:07pm
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As long as you're not hurt...then its just troublesome. Beats pain any old day! Broke pretty neatly..weld it and then weld a nice brace on each side. Repeat on the other sides lift arm and it'll be stronger than new. My old 4500 Fword backhoes all had welds and plates in the same location as that.....lotsa stress there. ------------- 1949 B 3930 Ford- Have owned other Orange ,green,red,yellow,dark green tractors and equipment. |
Posted By: BobHnwO
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2011 at 6:26am
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That was a big problem with early Ford TLB's.
------------- Why do today what you can put off til tomorrow. |
Posted By: Claus
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2011 at 8:12am
| Looks like a larger cylinder might have been the culprit. |
Posted By: se iowa picker
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2011 at 8:27am
| Sorry to see that happen to you. Good luck in fixing that and just be glad no one was hurt. |
Posted By: Nathan (SD)
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2011 at 11:06am
| I never knew a trip bucket loader would fit on a 190. Those were built for a 400 lb bucket full of manure or snow. Bales are probably a little out of their league unless they are small ones. |
Posted By: Dick L
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2011 at 11:19am
| I have broken loader arms before but the big drop was when I was dumping my 1 ton Chevy loaded with sand using my 580 CK Case backhoe, I chained to the front frame and stood the truck on end. When the rear wheels started to lift off the ground, this time, the one hydrulic cylinder ram broke and dowm she came. The bucket dropped with the truck and stayed about two inched above the hood. |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2011 at 12:16pm
I'm not seeing that... I'm seeing a weldment fail on the RH arm's dog-leg, starting at the top, and extending to the bottom... then the bucket fell, twisting the RH side. If there WAS a larger cylinder installed, really wouldn't change the condition- if that weldment was 'right', it would have been AT LEAST as strong as the tube, but the weld clearly wasn't. Tube should have bent before that joint failed. A good engineer would have cited the lack of a secondary plane of weldment to extend the support zone up the tubes each way at LEAST as far as the tubing is wide or deep. In all reality, the butt-weld isn't a good thing to rely upon under any circumstance other than direct compression. The flexing moment under this application is high tension at the top of the joint, bending moment in the middle, and compression at the bottom... totally unsuitable for providing appropriate SF for this geometry. Note that since this one couldn't have been welded from the INSIDE of the tube, weld penetration really won't assure 100%... and incipient cracking probably started long ago, after moisture got in there and corroded and froze-cracked it a tiny bit more at-a-time, it finally found it's failure point. I would certainly use this as an excuse to get a really good welder (ANY excuse is a good excuse to get a good welder), but in this case, I would only use the wire-feeder to 'tack' pieces together. Specifically, I would grind both faces to smooth fit, and chamfer all four sides to get as close to 100% as you can get... then fit 'em close, tack 'em with the MIG, then put in a two-pass bead with 1/8" E7018, first slow at 95A, and second faster at 110A. After cooling, I'd grind the side faces so that a 3/8" or 1/2" splice plate would lay flat on each side of EACH arm, tack 'em in place with the MIG. I would FINISH weld the gusset/sideplates on with 5/16' E7018 at about 130A... Then I'd take it out in the field somewhere safe and TRY TO BREAK IT... |
Claus wrote:Posted By: DarrylinWA
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2011 at 12:00am
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Ouch Doyle!!!
Glad no one was hurt. Good thing it did not go under the front axle and bend alot more. Did you get jolted pretty good ?
Take care and hope you can fix it OK.
Take care, Darryl ------------- B 10 Custom. Serial # 1001 D21, First D21 built 69 #4498 and Last D 21 Built #4609. 1946 MM UTU. And 2000, 2005 Pete's. AC custom Hauling. |
Posted By: JayIN
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2011 at 9:17am
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there is nothing wrong with MIG welding the entire repair. Tensile strength on 7018 is 70,000. Tensile strength on ER70s is 70,000. ------------- sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?" |