Rattle can Persion Orange 2 paint
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Topic: Rattle can Persion Orange 2 paint
Posted By: mnoonan-NEWI
Subject: Rattle can Persion Orange 2 paint
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2011 at 11:36am
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Is there a rattle can Persion Orange 2 paint available in Krylon or other brand paint? I know there is a no. 1820 Krylon for Persion Orange 1. Thanks, Mike ------------- AC CA, Ferguson TO-20, Ford NAA, M-M BG, AC #3 Mower, SC Plow, PH Digger, AC 720's with Ark 700 loader & Brantly Backhoe, "Mini B" w/flathead Ford V8 |
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Posted By: Bull
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2011 at 12:04pm
| You might try VanSickle. They make PO#1 that is right on the money. They manufacture paint for Tisco as well. |
Posted By: Dale H. ECIL
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2011 at 12:06pm
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You can get Persion # 2 in the cans from AGCO.
------------- Allis Chalmers Museum, Paris, Il.http:// www.allischalmersmuseum.com 217-275-3428 |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2011 at 12:08pm
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the rustoleum ac orange is similar to po2. ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: KC-WD45
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2011 at 2:28pm
| I don't know what you will be doing with the rattle cans but I had painted my wd45 with PPG persian #2 and then after final assembly I had some bolt heads that needed a touch up. I got a couple of cans from agco and it was a pretty close match untill you got it in good light and then you could see every spot I had sprayed. In the end I wound up going over it again with the PPG and spray gun. |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2011 at 3:16pm
| Rattle DE Dattle !!!!!!!!! |
Posted By: Texas B
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2011 at 3:20pm
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What does Tractor Supply have? I got some there. ------------- Texas B 39 |
Posted By: caRon
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2011 at 5:16pm
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Who sells VanSickle brand paint? Has anyone used the Krylon 1820? Does it hold up? I don't know about their farm/implement paint, but their regular rattle can paint is very low quality. Ron ------------- CA Tractor |
Posted By: mattIL
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2011 at 5:46pm
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Ron I sell the vanSickle paint in both Persain Orange 1 and 2 along with creme and many other colors. The cost is $9.00 per can plus shipping. The cans are slow drying paint but color matches very well. I also sell the the paint in gallons with hardner. I will be at the show in Fortwayne, In in April, or I can ship it. Thanks Matt 815-861-9636 evenings are best or please leave message
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Posted By: mnoonan-NEWI
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2011 at 6:24pm
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Thanks fella's for all the good comments. Mike ------------- AC CA, Ferguson TO-20, Ford NAA, M-M BG, AC #3 Mower, SC Plow, PH Digger, AC 720's with Ark 700 loader & Brantly Backhoe, "Mini B" w/flathead Ford V8 |
Posted By: amac
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2011 at 6:31pm
| I carry the persian 1 and 2 in aerosols and gallons. they match the 60080 persian 1 and 60396 persian 2 number that norm swinford refers to in his books. |
Posted By: papastanh
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2011 at 8:12pm
| Ok, call me unknowing, but please tell me the difference between Persian 1 and Persian 2. |
Posted By: dsgraf
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2011 at 8:49pm
| Yea and what year did it change? |
Posted By: Dale H. ECIL
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2011 at 9:32pm
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Ac had 3 shades of orange; Persian #1 1929-1960 Persian #2 1960-1977 Corporate 1977-1985 Each shade of orange from #1 to Corporate was a little darker or reddish in color. ------------- Allis Chalmers Museum, Paris, Il.http:// www.allischalmersmuseum.com 217-275-3428 |
Posted By: Michael (WI)
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2011 at 9:48pm
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Below is a test I did of Fleet Farm's two options which were generically labeled AC orange. The ironic thing is all three paints pictured are made by Valspar.
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c261/pappathopoulosm/Misc%20Pictures/FarmPictures3-14-09017.jpg - http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c261/pappathopoulosm/Misc%20Pictures/FarmPictures3-14-09017.jpg
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Posted By: Michael (WI)
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2011 at 9:54pm
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Posted By: TedBuiskerN.IL.
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2011 at 9:58pm
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I painted an entire tractor with rattle can Krylon 1820 from Walmart. It's at least 5 years old and still looks real good. ------------- Most problems can be solved with the proper application of high explosives. |
Posted By: Butch(OH)
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2011 at 10:01pm
| Never ceases to amaze me that with all the people looking for cheap and correct paint that Valspar refuses to bother to get the colors right. I mean like how hard would it be for them to put a chip of 60080 and 60396 and whatver coperate orange under the same machine my PPG dealer uses and get the stupid colors correct, then mix them correctly AND label them correctly Persian 1,2 and corp??????,,, GOOD GRIEF nothing but stupidity!!! Off my box, I feel better now |
Posted By: Dave (NE)
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2011 at 10:16pm
| you can get van sickle at orscheln's. reasonable price and have both po 1 and 2. |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2011 at 7:10am
| If painting one complete unit with a Rattle can you will get a match .How do you expect a rattle can to match what is sprayed out of a gun,you can't and it will never happen unless you have your paint mixed to spray out of a paint gun then have some of it put in a rattle can for touch up and then it might not match .I can go to a show and look at a line up of 20 tractors painted by 20 differran people ( corp. color ) and see differan shades .Dose it not also have to do with how the metal preparation was done and the primer ,and what is added to the paint be for spraying it?.And the paint mixer. I am not a painter but been around for awhile and seen alot of painting of all kinds .Just my 3 cents but I do not think the odds are for anyone trying to match paint out of a paint gun to what comes out of a rattle can. |
Posted By: Lyle124
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2011 at 7:59am
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When painting with a gun the color will vary if you hold the gun closer or further from the surface. It may not be much but it can be seen if you look close, that's why the auto manufactures went to robots computer operated. ------------- 5040 Bad Boy Mower |
Posted By: Butch(OH)
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2011 at 9:58am
| Paint wont match excatly when two differant batches are mixed at the same supplier. Paint doesnt match the same when viewed in differant light. Paint shade varies with the color of the underlayments and the texture of the finish. They sure as heck are not going to match exactly if you try to patch urethane with spray bomb acrylic enamels. These are all fine points. What I was talking about was the ding dongs at Valpsar cant get within a mile of being right and seemingly dont care if its right. One batch at TSC is red, next year when they change the labels it is yellow you never know and its all labeled A-C Orange. Go buy some JD paint from them and see if it matches, we have a F-620 and I splashed some on a couple spots just to keep it from rusting and you cannot tell it was patched from 3 feet away. let alone looking down a row of tractors. My brother in law regularly patches the dings in his Case/IHC equipment with valspar spray bombs and at least you cant tell it from the dang road like the A-C paint. This is when I learned Valspar can do it, they just wont in the case of our paint. Dont get me wrong I wouldnt paint a tractor with Valspar or any other cheapo paint or spray bomb on a bet but others do and It would be nice to have a some around to fix dings without wondering what the color of the week is. Off my stool, again. |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2011 at 1:04pm
------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Dale H. ECIL wrote:Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2011 at 1:09pm
------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2011 at 1:10pm
------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: TedBuiskerN.IL.
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2011 at 2:55pm
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I must admit there is shade variation between rattle can batches, but I don't paint a tractor to shine it and line it, I paint for preservation and so it looks good while I'm plowing with it. ------------- Most problems can be solved with the proper application of high explosives. |
Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2011 at 3:30pm
| The Build-a-B at Dale's is mostly painted with Rattle can Krylon 1820................... |
Posted By: caRon
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2011 at 3:39pm
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this krylon 1820, is it farm/implement paint? Ron ------------- CA Tractor |
Posted By: Harry up of Mi.
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2011 at 10:54pm
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Mike
The tractor guy across from the central Wis. airport sells Tisco paint Persain orange #1 and #2 in raddle cans. I bought some their last summer.
We are still in Az. temp was near 70 today. Cold last week. Come on down, tractor show in Apache Junction is March 12 & 13
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Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2011 at 6:29am
| I am a Tisco dealer also ,I will not sell paint ,that way I do not have to here about NO MATCHING .Paint matching problem's did not just start yesterday . |
Posted By: Skyhighballoon(MO)
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2011 at 8:46am
Ace Hardware Rust Stop in Allis-Chalmers Orange is a match for Persian Orange #2. You used to be able to buy it in rattle cans, quarts and gallons. I know it's still available in rattle cans as I was in an Ace store a couple weeks ago. Didn't look for quarts & gallons. I've tried the rattle cans and it matches #2. Mike  ------------- 1981 Gleaner F2 Corn Plus w 13' flex 1968 Gleaner EIII w 10' & 330 1969 180 gas 1965 D17 S-IV gas 1963 D17 S-III gas 1956 WD45 gas NF PS 1956 All-Crop 66 Big Bin 303 wire baler, 716H, 712H mowers |
Posted By: mnoonan-NEWI
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2011 at 2:00pm
The paint I bought is Krylon Special Purpose Farm & Implement 1820 Allis Chalmers Orange. I haven't painted with it yet, so can't verify the color match. I purchased it from O'Reilly Auto Parts store. They didn't have it in their store, but ordered it from their warehouse and it arrived at the local store in 2 days. This is supposed to be Persion Orange 1. See the attached picture of the can. ------------- AC CA, Ferguson TO-20, Ford NAA, M-M BG, AC #3 Mower, SC Plow, PH Digger, AC 720's with Ark 700 loader & Brantly Backhoe, "Mini B" w/flathead Ford V8 |
Posted By: caRon
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2011 at 4:30pm
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Hey Mike, that's funny. I just got back from O'Reilly auto parts, ordered 4 cans. They had plenty of JD green and yellow in stock. Ron ------------- CA Tractor |
Posted By: mnoonan-NEWI
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2011 at 5:55pm
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Ron, I normally paint my Allis stuff w/ PPG OMNI MAE 60080 Acrylic Enamel Persion Orange #1 w/Hardener over Omni epoxy primer but wanted to try the Krylon for touch-up and small parts. We'll see how it works out. Other folks have said that Krylon 1820 is a good match for PO 1. Mike ------------- AC CA, Ferguson TO-20, Ford NAA, M-M BG, AC #3 Mower, SC Plow, PH Digger, AC 720's with Ark 700 loader & Brantly Backhoe, "Mini B" w/flathead Ford V8 |
Posted By: Skyhighballoon(MO)
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2011 at 6:18pm
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When I had my D17 Series IV painted, I bought 2 gallons of Omni MAE in PO #2 (60396) and had them fill I think 4 rattle cans out of one of the gallons. I think they only put 3 oz of actual paint in each rattle can. No hardener in the can of course. Mike
------------- 1981 Gleaner F2 Corn Plus w 13' flex 1968 Gleaner EIII w 10' & 330 1969 180 gas 1965 D17 S-IV gas 1963 D17 S-III gas 1956 WD45 gas NF PS 1956 All-Crop 66 Big Bin 303 wire baler, 716H, 712H mowers |
Posted By: Michael (WI)
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2011 at 7:04pm
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I am with Butch on this one. The main point of this picture is not show the different official shades, but rather how three different paints made by the same company do not match themselves. When I called someone at the Valspar tech line to ask them what shade of AC orange is your regular paint and the restoration series I get a long pause on the other end followed by "it is formulated to match probably the most recent shade AC used before they went out of business. This in theory would be corporate and explain why it does not match AGCO #2 but they don't say that for sure. Assuming it is corporate orange I then ask why the normal paint does not at least match the restoration series and I get no explanation. I then ask since they make paint for AGCO why their retail store paint does not match anything from AGCO, again no answer. Truthfully I do not have AGCO #1 and corporate paint to test, but when holding the retail samples up to unfaded original paint on machinery they do not match. Also like Butch said, I have looked at something recently stored in a box out of the sun that was painted 4-6 years ago with the "regular" paint and it is not even close to the currently available paint shown in the right side of the picture. Oh well. Mike |