Traded the Gleaner A85 off this weekend
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Topic: Traded the Gleaner A85 off this weekend
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Subject: Traded the Gleaner A85 off this weekend
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2010 at 11:17pm
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Been gone all weekend to St.Louis for the state (of ILL) Farm Bureau convention. Missed alot of good disscusions on Agco,and Gleaner combines. Traded the Gleaner off Friday before I left town.......
IG ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
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Posted By: Sandknob
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2010 at 11:25pm
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Talked to Keith Matson the other day and he said they were headed down there too. Sorry to see the A85 go, but definately can understand your frustration. Like others on here have mentioned AC itself died 25 years ago, and no matter how much wishing it would return I'm sorry to say it won't. Closest thing would be all of us pooling together to purchase the name/rights and going from there. Chances of that happening are slim to none (monetary wise mainly). Anyway let Richenhagen sleep in the bed he's made.
Adam
By the way I still have those planter units if you are interested.
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Posted By: Steve M C/IL
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2010 at 11:51pm
| Teaser!.......on what? |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 12:11am
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and to whom?
------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 6:00am
| That was prolly a good business decision , I do believe Gleaner combines are heading to the chopping block - just wait and see - remember the - LONG LIVE THE FAMILY FARM AGCO TRACTOR BS !!! I believe AGCO,S trying to get themselves out of NA markets and fast , they will try to turn it on us saying no demand , no use to have dealers, parts , etc , what a joke the leaders of AGCO and that company has become ; Too bad , as nothing last forever |
Posted By: ScottinSWIL
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 6:54am
| For a A86? |
Posted By: redline
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 8:02am
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Will you be changing your name now? I am pretty sure the Illinois part will remain the same, but if I understand correctly the Gleaner part was becoming negotiable. ------------- If it weren't for the last minute, I wouldn't get anything done! |
Posted By: Skyhighballoon(MO)
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 8:02am
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John - you were in town and you didn't even call me so I could buy you lunch!!!! Are you cheating on me!!! LOL! Mike
------------- 1981 Gleaner F2 Corn Plus w 13' flex 1968 Gleaner EIII w 10' & 330 1969 180 gas 1965 D17 S-IV gas 1963 D17 S-III gas 1956 WD45 gas NF PS 1956 All-Crop 66 Big Bin 303 wire baler, 716H, 712H mowers |
Posted By: Steve M C/IL
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 1:08pm
| One of his "old" AGCO(orange) tractors is on the green lot in town but didn't see anything silver around when I went through this morning.He once said green didn't want to trade for silver.Their advice was to peddle it then come talk.It wasn't anywhere to be seen at the Case dealer either.....but he's not known for choosing the CLOSEST dealer. |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 6:56pm
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For a new A86. Couldnt afford the green paint, red guy didnt even have the guts to call me back. I could trade for a new silver class 8 ,cheaper then a used (185hrs) class 7 deere,with no warranty. Hard to be that stubburn!!!
IG ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: cwhit
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 7:05pm
| All is well in the world. Or at least in crawford county. |
Posted By: BLee Mn
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 8:26pm
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and i thought we would call you ILGREENER, hehe, i took my __ kicking on trading up to green earier this fall. was a sad day indeed, eating a lot of crow this winter ------------- Cowboy UP |
Posted By: TobeMo
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 8:26pm
| At least you won't have to change your title. Tobe |
Posted By: nowversatile
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 8:46pm
| Congratulations IG, I was beginning to get worried about the silver line. After reading about the R66 that jumped I was hoping it wouldn't get too lonely! |
Posted By: AllisChalmers37
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 8:57pm
It should be like this but AGCO is gone and Gleaner will be next.
 ------------- 1937 WC, 1950 CA, 1959 D14, 1967 190XT, 2006 Ram 3500 |
Posted By: BLee Mn
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 9:02pm
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yeah thats for sure, One of the best lookin and meanest tractors out there, Just dont have the sex appeal in crap red though. BIG mistake!!! one of the reasons i went Green ------------- Cowboy UP |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 9:12pm
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Blee there would have been one of those right beside it,until they dropped them,now its a green one,and a red one(Versitile red) Man how do you sleep at night.................LOL IG------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: Steve M C/IL
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 9:46pm
| The new dog Sisu powered? |
Posted By: redline
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 9:48pm
I am sure this has been a difficult decision for you, ILGleaner. If you feel like I do, you are torn between wanting to wash your hands entirely of anything AGCO, or staying with what has been proven to work for you. I can understand giving the Gleaner another chance, but there is no way I will accept massey tractors.
If the same effort would have been expended on the orange line that the challenger line has had, our orange brand wouldn't have withered on the vine. They made a very poor choice when they chose yellow as their favorite.
Good luck with the new machine. ------------- If it weren't for the last minute, I wouldn't get anything done! |
AllisChalmers37 wrote:Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 9:57pm
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Redline people will never know the feelings that people like you and me have. Very few are affected the way we are. I knew where my heart was the whole time,but I also know how great it would have felt to,say I washed my hands completely of them,and kiss my ass goodbye. But it really sucks knowing there will never be another new orange tractor on this farm after years and years,of them.
IG ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: Spud
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 10:23pm
| I am just curious, how does the A86 compare to the super 7? This question is from a guy that milked cows and never ran a combine in his life. |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 10:42pm
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Spud,
I looked at the super 7 ,was really hoping that it would be something to compete against my Class 8. Would have loved to go back to the natrual flow. But from what I saw of it, Its no where close to the 86. But thats only from my observations. Its R76 with a bigger rotor, alittle more power,and the same size sieve. Its not a class 8
IG ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: JimIA
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 10:59pm
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The loss of the orange tractor is truely a shame, but with us at the dealership are coming to terms with it as best as possible. I understand that Massey is a very large global name but this is the USA, they should market their tractors according to country and not global. They should have went to one brand in the USA, AGCO and offer it a orange red or yellow color. To please the masses have the parent brand follow such as AGCO-Massey Ferguson, AGCO-Challenger and finally just plain AGCO. Keep all of the model numbers the same, then all the difference would be paint and decals. But common sense isn't that common anymore. Everyone can see that the paint and decal scheme of the DTB series is far superior to the other brands, but your not going to tell the big wigs that! As far as the Gleaners, if they were planning on dumping the line we would not have even seen the 5 series come out. In just a few years we have gone from the 2s to the 5s, then 6s and now they are on the 7s. However, I would not be surprised to see the Massey name on the transverse Gleaners in the near future. I can understand people switching brands for product, service etc. But after working at an AGCO-New Holland dealer for over ten years I will never own something green that has been built in the last 50 years, for many many reasons. Jim |
Posted By: JimIA
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 11:00pm
| Forgot one thing. Congrats on your new combine ILGleaner! |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 11:05pm
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Jim, I agree with you on alot of what you said. The only thing,if you think they wouldnt drop gleaner after this. Remember long live the family farm.....new orange tractors...........BAM!!!!!! Gone. Never say never. Why would you say you would never own an american made green tractor??? Just wandering.
IG ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: JimIA
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 11:39pm
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ILGleaner, its hard to describe I guess. First off were in a region where there is still alot of dealerships around, but one guy owns all of the Deere stores for miles and Deere is pushing for that. I'm sure it will happen to all the brands eventually but I'm rearranging chairs on the sinking ship that is the independent dealership. The thing that really gets me with the multiple store thing(in our area) farmers cannot go and buy at what store they want, they have to go to the store that is their district. I know several farmers that worked with certain stores and salesman, but when this came into effect they were told they had to do business at another store because of the whole "district" or "zone" thing. I guess I'm not going to let someone tell me where I can and cannot do business. The dealers reason for doing this is because farmers were pricing at several stores and the salesman were basically competing with each other. I would just think communication among stores would have been a better option. Another reason is I went to a local community college for a farm implement mechanics course. It was a great program, you were taught the fundamentals of all brands of products. There was also a John Deere sponsored course at the same school. A few years ago they dropped the all-brands course and kept the Deere program due to larger class sizes. There are alot of things that bother me about the course, first off you have to take preliminary tests to get into the program, meaning you have decent book smarts. Many of the mechanics that I know that took the regular program wouldnt have made it past these tests but are wonderful mechanics just the same, I'm sure better ones than some of the guys that come out of the Deere program. Another thing that gets me is Deere provides training for the instructors and machinery for the students to work on. In the other program local dealers and other machinery brands provided training and equipment just the same and didnt get their name on the program. Also this is a tax funded school. Funding for the instructors wages, office suppies, facility and etc either comes from tuition aor tax funding. When you drive by a tax funded "community college" and see a John Deere dealer sign hanging on the building it puts a sour taste in your mouth. Basically cheap advertising for Deere. I also feel that the respect that we have amongst the A-C community doesnt pass along amongst the green. That is probably more my bias opinion, but atleast I admit it! lol Hope I'm not stepping on toes, but thats a few of my opinions. Like I said, I understand people switching colors, I'm just not a next generation green guy. I think my B two putter is as far as it will go for me! lol Jim |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 11:55pm
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Thanks for the explanation. The key to what you explained is money talks and bullsh*t walks. Our local comm. college also has the deere program. If you complete the course they will get you on with deere. believe you me,I am not disagreeing with you. But its something that has been forced on me,and will only make deere bigger. And why would you have one of those oilfield motor tractors if your an AC man,I cant even stand to hear those things run....LOL
IG ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 6:01am
When I went to the tech school in Austin, it wasn't a Deere program but Deere was involved in the state and national contests, a couple Deere reps would come by at least once each year. These reps told us how it was a long term goal that there would only be one dealer per state. The farmer would have to have their own certified mechanics in order to have warranty work done and would have to have their own parts department. The rep also told us once that they purposefully made things difficult to work on so the independent shops wouldn't be able to compete for all the new special tools and computer equipment that would be needed in the future. He didn't say it was because it would make the tractor better but it was to eliminate the independent dealer and so-called shade tree mechanics. He explicitly made it clear that they wanted the farmers hands out of fixing their own equipment. I didn't like Deere before and those talks from Deere didn't change my mind any. This was back in 1991-92. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: nowversatile
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 8:02am
If you are right about the resale killing triple triangle on a Gleaner, their sales will follow what AGCO's tractor sales are currently doing in the US - crashing! I think there might be a little more thought going into the Gleaner program now however, after getting their proverbial a**'s handed to them on the tractor front. Gleaner is carrying NA.
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Posted By: benk8680
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 8:04am
| The problem is deere will subsidise the pay of the "greenhorns" so the dealers just use them for cheap help and then throw them away when the next batch comes along! kinda like the state payin for you to hire ex-prisoners! |
Posted By: Daehler
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 8:21am
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Posted By: Byron WC in SW Wi
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 8:35am
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I understand your deal IG. I got a good trade in price on my RT about a year ago from a New Holland dealer. I got the good price probably because their also a MF dealer. I got trade in prices at two other dealers McCormick and Kubota, that had no clue on the AGCO tractor and offered a price substantially lower. As much as I want(ed) things to work out I couldn't take that big of a hit. If my RT doesn't sell though I'll probably go back to that dealer and see if we can work it out. Maybe I should call you Jim. You have MF and New Holland! I'm totally on board with you Jim. You know I totally agree with the one AGCO brand with multiple colors at least in NA. I also feel the same way about Deere. A good Deere dealer could convert me but it seems like their all corporate now. My first tractor toy I got from my grandpa was a JD 4010 and I still have it. But, my perception of orange farmers are their practical. Red farmers, I've known, are friendly, skinny and some smoke. Green farmers are typically arrogant. Honestly I don't know any blue farmers personally but there seems to be tons of dealers. Also, at my grandmas funeral a couple years ago I talked with the old AC dealer owner that is a friend of the families and was at the funeral. Somehow we talked about Deere and he had tears come to his eyes when he talked about how badly they were maligned by Deere people with the rotor baler. I didn't get into it but it seemed typical to what I've experienced. I like that Deere is an American company and makes a lot of products in America still. I can see going there possibly but it'd take an act of God. |
Posted By: Kevin(Alabama)
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 8:36am
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IG it's good to see you hanging in there. I feel like you do with AGCO. But like Jim said its the old AC dealers that have me still running with Silver and Orange. I can call them and usually its the owner I talk to and they will know the problem, the part, how to fix it, and if they have to order parts they will have them shipped to me not the dealer, and talk to you like a farmer talking to another farmer, without going though a bunch of channels. I won't even buy a spray tip from my local JD dealer anymore. They are business only, run by collage kids that have never farmed, and have to talk to several of them to get to what I need, then it will be the wrong part after several days of waiting. Thats what I like about the old independent Allis dealers, they are my last hope. Hope you have good luck with the 86 and have a very good year, and I hope to get up your way this winter. ------------- "I would die a thousand deaths before I would betray a friend."...Sam Davis, Nov. 27, 1863.....DEO VINDICE |
Posted By: Byron WC in SW Wi
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 8:37am
| BTW - Did you get your AGCO advantage magazine. Two articles of note: A) all their pioneering of previous brands and on from MF mentioned. B) They had their dealers and some farmers say color doesn't matter and won't affect sales. Guess they know best! LOL |
Posted By: Kevin(Alabama)
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 8:53am
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I guess that is Robert Crain's way of thinking, I believe he is AGCO in North America's Trojan horse. He's from my area and does not have Allis, AGCO, or their customers in his best interest. His family still owns the old Ford now NH dealership. ------------- "I would die a thousand deaths before I would betray a friend."...Sam Davis, Nov. 27, 1863.....DEO VINDICE |
Posted By: redline
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 9:36am
It looks to me like the innovations mostly came from the Allis and White heritage. Not a lot from the massey side. Massey had the "Harvest Brigade" during the second world war. While everyone else was gearing up for the fight of our lives it was pretty much business as usual for massey the way it appears to me.
http://www.livinghistoryfarm.org/farminginthe40s/machines_05.html - http://www.livinghistoryfarm.org/farminginthe40s/machines_05.html ------------- If it weren't for the last minute, I wouldn't get anything done! |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 9:41am
There were inside deals and pay offs (as usual in private government contracts) that got Massey the right to build those harvest brigades during the war. The quota rules didn't apply to Massey like they did to AC. AC was better at mass production than Massey. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: nowversatile
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 11:48am
Read the part where the magazine will be consolidated into "Farm Life". Translation: no consolidation, just get the vaseline out, it will be all MF from here on out!
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Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 12:30pm
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the A series a derrivative of the old White 9700 that was sold to MF before Agco came along? Ed. ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: Spud
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 12:32pm
| RedLine, Massey built a lot of equipment for the war effort. It is pretty rude to imply that they are somehow cowards because they produced combines during the war. I understand you are not happy with Massey for the simple fact that they are alive but that is getting a little ridiculous. |
Posted By: redline
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 12:38pm
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If that is the case, I stand corrected. It is strange they were granted a running start on everyone else on the self propelled harvesters. ------------- If it weren't for the last minute, I wouldn't get anything done! |
Posted By: Spud
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 1:03pm
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Redline:
I believe that Massey actually excelled in self propelled combines mainly due to their Austrailian aquisition of the Sunshine Harvester company.
For war production they built, M5 and M24 tanks, wings for Mosquito fighter bombers, artillery shells, gun mounts, truck bodies for Brens, four wheel axles, airplane fittings, tractors for airplane tugs and to supply airplanes, etc. Because Canada is part of the Commonwealth, they were being built for 2 years before the US even joined the war.
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Posted By: Spud
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 1:08pm
| ILGleaner. When you were in the market for an MFWD tractor, did you look at a Versatile? If so, what did you think? I knew you got a Versatile articulated tractor. |
Posted By: redline
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 2:12pm
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I offer my apologies.
I am still disgusted with the current state of affairs, however. ------------- If it weren't for the last minute, I wouldn't get anything done! |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 2:56pm
I didn't say they were cowards. Currupt, yes. Cowards, no. I read it in one of the Plow Peddlers articles once I believe. Very believable as corruption and back room deals are the norm when it comes to private government contracts. I don't see it as ridiculous at all. They based your allowed steel quotas for farm production on the previous sales of the last few years before the war. Massey was exempt from the rules. Allis wasn't. Allis could have built those combines just as easily and probably faster IMO. It was a back room deal. Excuse me Spud, as I see your comments were not directed at me. Sorry.
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Posted By: Jim NEIN
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 4:05pm
| Glad to see you stayed with Gleaner. |
Posted By: Spud
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 4:50pm
| No worries Redline. I am disappointed that they dropped orange too. I believe myself that Agco should be offered in multiple colors like a Valtra. I will still buy from Agco though as I like Massey too. |
Posted By: Spud
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 4:52pm
| Lonn, I am 99.9% certain that AC has done plenty of shady under the table work. Especially dealing with electrical generation turbines and equipment. Those big sales of farm equipment overseas would be the result of payoffs too. |
Posted By: Spud
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 4:53pm
| Lonn. I am not knocking AC for it. It is unfortunately the way that a lot of that business works. |
Posted By: powertech84
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 6:54pm
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Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 7:16pm
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Posted By: benk8680
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 7:43pm
| Sometimes the best mechanic are ones that can learn without being "taught", Ive got a 20 yr old amish kid that went to the 8th grade that will outwork and can do anything any of these kids out of tech college can do including fix anything, weld, machine parts, and yes run a computer!! |
Posted By: Steve M C/IL
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 7:48pm
| HIGHJACKED!!!!! LOL |
Posted By: powertech84
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 8:02pm
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 8:38pm
I have no doubt about that. Just stating what I read. Like I said, private government contracts all chucked full of corruption. I had an uncle who made his living on government contracts and even though he was small potatoes he said he couldn't help making money and once you had the connections it was easy. Once he told me he made $500 per air conditioner unit he removed from a government housing building. They were all window units and most were good working units so he gave my folks a couple and sold a couple hundred at auctions around the country. Our tax money paid for that. Not saying he was corrupt but something is wrong. That was 25 years ago. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 8:44pm
No matter what you say I will never ever buy a Deere, you can't make me, you can't make me, you can't make me, you can't make me, you can't make me, you can't make me, you can't make me, you can't make me, you can't make me, you can't make me, you can't make me, you can't make me, you can't make me, you can't make me, you can't make me, you can't make me, you can't make me, you can't make me, you can't make me, you can't make me, you can't make me, you can't make me, you can't make me, you can't make me, you can't make me, you can't make me, you can't make me, you can't make me, you can't make me, you can't make me, you can't make me, you can't make me, you can't make me, you can't make me, you can't make me, you can't make me, you can't make me, you can't make me, whew.............watching too much Bart Simpson lately. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: JimIA
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2010 at 12:14am
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Man I wished I hadnt opened my mouth! lol Powertech84, this program does not do 'live work' like what your program did. The do setup a few pieces of equipment but do not work on any active farm equipment. I can understand JDs involvement with the program, BUT when tax dollars are involved there should not be any corporations names on the program. Also the students attending cannot do their on the job training at any other brand of store, they have to do it at a Deere store. As far as technicians, I know several that didnt do well in a classroom environment, but in the field they are geniuses in the fields of troubleshooting, computers and mathematics. Some people are just better at hands on then on paper. If John Deere wants to promote such a program then why not do the shop and mechanical teaching on their own in their own facility and hook up with a community college for the related courses? Im also not saying its not a good program, but I am saying if Deere wants their name on it then by right it should not be on public funded property. Jim |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2010 at 12:47am
| lonn...i had a deere dealer owner tell me the same thing back in the 90's. didn't like it then, and still don't like it now! and...i'm about ready to return to gleaner and trade off my red playthings! even tho the red dealer has treated me very good, the machines really haven't! and i've never seen anyone that wears a deere cap that there wasn't an a**hole under the cap! |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2010 at 12:48am
| don't gits me started!!!! |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2010 at 5:57am
Having worked at both an Allis Dealer and a CaseIH dealer I know I'd take a Gleaner over an Axial flow. Those Axial flows are spendy to upkeep. Gleaner to me is a bit heavier built. Just compare the frame of a 2366 to an R52 or 62 series frame. Gleaner used kevlar belts early on and chromed sprockets too where Case didn't. Maybe since then things have changed. I have a relative that traded his M3 for a 1640 and he was very disappointed. Then he got a 1666. That was better but the repair costs every year are killing him. He's stuck nearly $20,000 into that thing in the last 2 years. Before the red machines, other than a valve going bad in the hydro of an F2 he had, he never took his Gleaners to the dealer for repair. Hestarted with a K back in the 70's. Then an F2 gasser (that one did burn from rotten fuel hose breaking and spaying onto distributor) then an F2 diesel hydro and then his M3. He's been kicking himself about trading his M3. He's stuck with red cause there is no close dealer of any other make around green included. Close for him is less than 35 miles.
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Posted By: powertech84
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2010 at 6:49am
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jimia, what college is this? i was under the impression that all of the john deere "power up" degrees were pretty much the same but it sounds like the yours is quite different than the one i went through. Perhaps some of it had to do with the program director, and less with the program. Also we don't have any signs or advertising around the building for deere, i don't think the college would have let that happen. Could it possibly be that the program director or students took it on themselves to put that sign up? I really like the program i did because we had a lot of hands on, full tear down repairs, as well as new product. Oh, and lonn, i never said anyone should or has to buy deere. One look in my machine shed will show you that i don't discriminate against ANY color. No company builds perfect machines, in fact, its probly more accurate to say that everything is crap. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2010 at 8:17am
Just yanking your chain a bit. Gotta do that. But I still wouldn't but green. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Bob D. (La)
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2010 at 8:25am
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Glad you were able to trade up to another Gleaner. I just pray that AGCO doesn't dismember this brand as well as AGCO orange. God Bless. ------------- When you find yourself in a hole,PUT DOWN THE SHOVEL!!! |