Helllp!
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Topic: Helllp!
Posted By: LouSWPA
Subject: Helllp!
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2010 at 11:45am
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Ok,
any secrets to breaking the tire loose from the rim? I have a 4X4 ramped on it and drove -45 up on it......it's just mocking me! arrrgh! I sprayed a little Kroil on it hoping it will soak down through and break the grip. The kicker is, if this had of went flat in the field and I was counting on it to go very far it would have broke loose! 28x14.9 ------------- I am still confident of this; I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
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Posted By: JohnCinMd
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2010 at 11:54am
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Drive on it? |
Posted By: Dans 7080
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2010 at 11:55am
| Ive had luck with a "handyman jack" and the front axle of a big tractor. I tried a trailer tire using the trailer and it picked the trailer up ( 20+5 10ton gooseneck) but it broke loose before it picked up the front of the 7080. |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2010 at 11:56am
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Yep, the secret is load it up and take it to the tire shop in town. It cost me $25 ea to get the rear tires removed on my D17. When I consider the aggravation that tires cause when you don't have the proper irons, it was money EXTREMELY well spent.
I have a cousin who runs a tire shop and he has a large slide hammer to break beads with. ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: MNLonnie
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2010 at 11:59am
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I use a splitting wedge that I welded to a handle, set the wedge on the tire and drive it behind the rim with a BFH, it's worked everytime for me so far. I used to try the drive on them trick but had some that it didn't work on. ------------- Waukesha B, B, IB, G, styled WF, D15, 615 backhoe, 2-Oliver OC3's, 4 Ford Model T's, 3 Model A Fords, AV8 Coupe, AV8 Roadster, 1933 Ford Wrecker |
Posted By: MUM FARMER
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2010 at 12:18pm
| pour coke around the bead and go have lunch then give it a try |
Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2010 at 12:41pm
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Don't you have a crawler with a bucket on the front? I use my backhoe bucket, sometimes I have to bridge the tractor with the hoe, but haven't had one not break loose with that method. Smaller tires I use one fork and the skid loader. ------------- ALLIS EXPRESS! This year: |
Posted By: JW in MO
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2010 at 1:12pm
| I have done as you with a WD45 or the front gang of a heavy disc, then used a big pry or rock breaker to break them loose. Beat on one section, move 6-8 inches and repeat and it broke loose. Kroil makes a big difference. Now I use the bucket on the bobcat |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2010 at 1:25pm
| MUM FARMER, if coke breaks beads, what does it do to your innards when you drink the stuff? Darrel |
Posted By: Bob-Maine
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2010 at 2:33pm
| I use Dans 7080 method. I put a 12 ton hydraulic jack base on the tire, near the rim as possible, with the upper part of the jack up against something HEAVY above it. Pump the jack and eventually the bead breaks loose. May have to move it around to a few more spots, then eventaully the whole side comes loose. Hope this helps. Bob@allisdowneast |
Posted By: wfmurray
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2010 at 3:10pm
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If tire is no good . Cut hole in tire with sawall and cut down to rim then use good thin cold chisel to cut wire.Then just peel it off rim. It worked for me. |
Posted By: GBACBFan
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2010 at 5:04pm
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Use a Bead Cheetah. It's foolproof. ------------- "The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that you can never know if they are genuine." - Mark Twain |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2010 at 5:15pm
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Lou, I was gonna suggest the splitting wedge but Lonnie beat me to it. With the tractor ramped up on the tire, then hit it with the splitting wedge. Just don't get your toes under anything.When I used the tractors back wheel I didn't use a ramp, just drive the tractor wheel right on the sidewall as close to the rim as you can. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: David Maddux
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2010 at 9:33pm
| If you are going to be messing with the old tractors and think you have to do the tires, spend the money on the bead cheetah like GBACG says. I have one and it has paid for itself many times. |
Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2010 at 7:27pm
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I'm wit' Brian. Take it to the tire shop. It ain't worth the aggravation. That's what I do also because I don't have the proper tools, nor the backside to do that kinda work. Drop em' off, pick em' up later. Backside is still in good shape and ain't sore....... Steve@B&B |
Posted By: LouSWPA
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2010 at 7:35pm
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Well guys, Thanks for all the input. I did think of the HD5G, but it is torn apart at the moment. I really liked Brians idea, but in the near future (12 mo's) or so, I'll have about 7-8 of these to do (removing the tires to fix the wheels) and, in most cases the tire is salvageable. SOOOO, I next checked the prices on the "Cheeta". A little more than I have to spend right now, but, I do have a fire wrench and MIG, and a 10 ton porta power so I think maybe I'll use the pics of the Cheeta, and some other beadbusters I saw on line as inspiration see what I can come up with in the REDNECK ENGINEERING DEPT ------------- I am still confident of this; I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2010 at 8:21pm
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Hey Lou, when you get your redneck art form made, put a pic on here.
Theres a device that you clamp on the rim and turn the bolt and it pushes the bead off... problem is when the rim is tender, it tweaks it out of shape.
Got a slide hammer with a spade on the end that I use to bust beads on good tires but use angle grinder on old tires that are no good.
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Posted By: ChuckLuedtkeSEWI
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2010 at 8:41pm
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I use to use a 2 x 12 ramped up and then drive my pickup on it all the way to the edge of the rim, and the weight would break the bead. If they are really stubborn, I use a 6' bar and beat next to the 2 x 12 and will break loose. Sometimes, I have left the truck on there for a while and it works. Now I use my ramp for my trailer as they are loose and I can't break them like I did with a 2 x 12 every now and then. I even helped my dad with some new tires for his Simplicity tractor, and after swearing at them for a while, I forgot that I had the ramp in the back of my truck. Went up and did one side, flipped it over and did the other side in 5 minutes. I have never had one that I couldn't pop loose with that method, and now that I have a F250 which is bigger(and heavier) then my other truck it works even better. The key is to get the ramp as close to the bead without touching it, so it puts as much force on the tire as possible. I use to take them in, but I am cheap so I figured if I can teach myself to do it, I can save some money for more tractors!! ------------- 1955 WD45 diesel 203322 was my dad's tractor, 1966 D15 23530, 1961 HD3 Crawler 1918, 1966 D17 IV 83495, 1937 WC 41255, 1962 D19 6221 |
Posted By: Chalmersbob
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 8:27pm
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Lou, I use 2 crow bars, or a chisel and a crow bar. I drive i crow bar between the tire and the rim, until it hits the rim. Then drive the second one in upside down, ang hammer on the curved part right near the rim. move it 2" and hammer some more until it falls off the rim. I can remove a tire in 20 minutes with this method.
A neighbor, who is a mechanic, couldn't break a front tire from his B. He tried his loader, a sledge hammer, and took it to another neighbor, but could brek the bead. I used my method and had it off in a few minutes. Bob
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Posted By: ScooterBuck
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 8:42pm
Hey Lou the Cheeta is used to set the bead onto the rim when installing the tire, not breaking the bead off of the rim when removing the tire. There is a product call Bead Breaker that works great! There is also a tire sledge that has a wedge shape on one side much like a tool someone described above. A good but slightly dangerous sub for the cheeta is staring fluid and a match;) |
LouSWPA wrote:Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 8:54pm
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You get that apart yet Lou? Brother had some old 13x24 WC tires and wheels that he wanted to change and after beating on them a while he just had the local tire guy change them. They were the really old tread design and had been on awhile. Even the tire guy struggled some. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: GBACBFan
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 9:17pm
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My bad. I was referencing the Bead Cheata, Speeco P/N 05500. The bead Cheetah (with an "h") is used as ScooterBuck has described. ------------- "The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that you can never know if they are genuine." - Mark Twain |
Posted By: LouSWPA
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 9:39pm
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Well, there is, I discovered, a bead breaker called a Cheata, also, which is what I assumed you guys was refering to. Anyhow, I won't get back to it till next week.
What I am envisioning is a WD side rail laying on the ground with a 2-3 foot pipe welded on sticking up, with a lever arm pivoting off the top of. The lever arm will have a chisel pivoting off of it. The end of the lever arm will be "pulled" down with a retractor cylinder and the porta power ------------- I am still confident of this; I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 9:44pm
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Awe...just wait until you get the crawler back up and runnin.....ain't no tire that will stand up to that baby. More efficient use of your time, too! ------------- ALLIS EXPRESS! This year: |
Posted By: Dick L
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 10:05pm
| You can block the tire up under a heavy trailer. truck frame and use a hydraulic jack at the edge of the rim on the tire. I have put some under the tongue of my big trailer and jacked on them. hard work but you can get it to push away. |
Posted By: Hurst
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 11:09pm
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Let the air out of it :) lol. To be honest, I spent over an hour trying to break the beads on some 18.4-34s with a bobcat, sledge and wedge, truck, etc in the 90+ degree heat this summer only to remember I had only taken the valve stem out of one of the tires.... I found that I really needed the edge of a bucket to get the bead broken, as driving on it would not get pressure close enough to the bead. Hurst ------------- 1979 Allis Chalmers 7000 5800 Hours |