Plow Model
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Topic: Plow Model
Posted By: smokey
Subject: Plow Model
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2010 at 1:22pm
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I just bought a Allis Chalmers 6-16 semi-mt plow on E-Bay it was close to me so I bid on it, WOW Merry X-Mas I think I don't know what the 2000 mono-frame looks like for sure?
I don't have Pic's yet going to get it Saterday, about a 30 mi round trip hope the heater works good in the 7000, about 27 degree's right now w/20-25 mph wind Brrrr..
Just thought maybe you guys could shed some light on it.
Thanks
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Posted By: 427435
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2010 at 4:09pm
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I cut my teeth testing the mono-frame plow back in 1966-67. At 6 bottoms, it could be a base 4 bottom 2000 with a 2 bottom extension or a base 6 bottom 3000 plow.
------------- Mark B10 Allis, 917 Allis, 7116 Simplicity, 7790 Simplicity Diesel, GTH-L Simplicity Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not. |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2010 at 4:24pm
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Here is a picture of what looks like a 6 +2. http://www.flickr.com/photos/34310900@N03/3200543230/ you'll have to copy and paste the URL ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2010 at 4:38pm
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Here you go Charlie,
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34310900@N03/3200543230/ - http://www.flickr.com/photos/34310900@N03/3200543230/ ------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
Posted By: 427435
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2010 at 4:43pm
I count 7 bottoms and the front wheel lift of a 3000 plow. I also wonder what the guy is doing starting out a high furrow next to a fence line (and not getting as close to the fence as he should have). ------------- Mark B10 Allis, 917 Allis, 7116 Simplicity, 7790 Simplicity Diesel, GTH-L Simplicity Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not. |
CTuckerNWIL wrote:Posted By: 427435
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2010 at 5:08pm
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Here's a 2000 monoframe plow with yours truly driving. It was taken in about 1967. It was during an advertising photo shoot. The note is from the implement engineering manager, Dick Moe. He sent me the photo and note when I was promoted to the tractor design engineering manager post in 1978.  ------------- Mark B10 Allis, 917 Allis, 7116 Simplicity, 7790 Simplicity Diesel, GTH-L Simplicity Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not. |
Posted By: Armand(AZ)
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2010 at 5:41pm
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Is it the one without the coulters?? Armand |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2010 at 6:08pm
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427435, how did a 190xt handle a 6 bottom? I've seen other photos also of a 190 and 6 bottom. Where is that photo taken. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2010 at 6:35pm
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Mark, You're right, I can't see like I used to and I can't count either. LOL All I had to do was read below the picture where it says 7 bottom plow.
So if you can post a hyper link Don, why would it not let me post it? ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Dale
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2010 at 7:11pm
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I bought one this fall too.It's a later Monoframe 6-16 (i.e. it is a base 6 furrow, in-furrow, expandable to 7 furrow with the taller 32" clearance stub arms).It is a hydraulic reset with the rubber bushing coulters. The frame is straight with no broken welds. Norm Swinford's book gives a good history. We tore mine apart stem to stern and glad we did. The end result is a very, very smooth plowing plow that I pulled with my AC 210. We replaced many of the moldboards (mine has 387's), every bearing (there's bearings on each coulter and both the rear wheel and gauge wheel), and spent particular attention to all the greaseable bushings on the plow arms. In my case they all took grease except the lowest ones on 5 of the 6 stub arms. I think that is why the previous owner scrapped it. With them seized and boy were they seized, the plow would trip but not come back into plowing position.The stub arms have to be able to move freely (when not connected to the accumulator-I'll come to that in a minute)-and mine didn't. They had tried to free them up with heat and then tried to get them off with bashing but if you don't study how they come apart you'll never get them apart. We got them apart (I can tell you how in a separate post if you ever want to know). Once apart we cleaned the bushings up and freed the grease passages (we broke a drill bit drilling out the hardened dirt/grease in them). The next thing to check is the accumulator (if yours is hyd reset). Apparently the accumulator is very robust and most don't leak. If you want more info on how they work and how to test send me a message. The most important tool I had for refurbishing this plow was the manual for it I found on ebay. I think it is a must have if you want to work on your plow with little wasted effort. Norm sang the praises of these plows in his book and I agree. A buddy of mine who is a JD nut plowed with it 2 weeks ago and he thinks it's really great. We plowed some pretty stony pasture and the plows trip and reset with the stub arms moving like keys on a piano. Get it working and you'll love it. |
Posted By: 427435
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2010 at 10:32pm
The photo was taken north of La Crosse, WI in the Mississippi river valley. This particular field was a sandy loam and the 190XT did fine with the 6 bottom. ------------- Mark B10 Allis, 917 Allis, 7116 Simplicity, 7790 Simplicity Diesel, GTH-L Simplicity Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not. |
Posted By: smokey
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 7:48am
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Yes it was Armand, I got it home Sat. I even put it in ground and plowed the head land on a corn feild that I left and it plowed very nice, I think I can pull it with my 190xt, the 7000 pulled it just fine started in 2-1 then went to 2-2 no problem then 2-3 it pull good,
2-2 is fast enough I think about 5mph @ 2200 rpms.
Maybe I can get my Nephew to do a short vid. with 190xt on it in the spring don't have anything to plow right now, I maybe try to take picture of it on 7000 today before I put it in the shed.
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Posted By: TedBuiskerN.IL.
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 8:27pm
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All depends on soil type and condition. I swear I can pull 5-14's with a stock WD45 in one bottom field I have, and I have seen a CA pulling 3-14's 9 inches deep. I have also been in low gear with three 14's in hard clay with the same WD45. So the soil type and condition make all the difference.
On Matt Pehl's page on U tube, you can see a WD45 diesel pulling 4-14's with no problem. We were only about 7" deep there. ------------- Most problems can be solved with the proper application of high explosives. |
Posted By: redline
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 9:26pm
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we plow away from the fences on occasion here. The fenceline tends to build up with soil that is blown in, or that a disk kicks up around the outside of the field.
Here is a photo when the plow was much newer. It came to our farm with a Two-Twenty in about 1972. For some reason there are no pictures of it with the Two-Twenty (sn 2398). This is with an early 7060 in our town parade.
 Anymore it is rare to see fields completely plowed around here, but the plow has proven useful in other ways. Here is a video of the same plow with the 9190 reworking waterways in the spring of 2010.
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The duals and front wheel hub spacers keep the tractor from hugging the fence as much as we would like. ------------- If it weren't for the last minute, I wouldn't get anything done! |
Posted By: Kevin in WA
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 9:27pm
| 427435, Mark, I have a sales brochure of the 190 series III and it has another picture of you driving the same tractor and six bottom monoframe plow, picture is taken from behind the plow. I would post it here but it is a 2 page photo so I haven't figured out how to scan it. |
Posted By: redline
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 9:34pm
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Here is one of the last large plowing jobs it was used on. This is CRP ground that came out in 1996. I think I have posted this video before, but it might still interest some folks.
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Posted By: 427435
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 11:12pm
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We had the same problem in SW Minnesota (where I grew up) with keeping fence lines from building up. Dad was always trying to pull soil away from the fence lines and was careful not to throw dirt near them. I did a lot of the plowing with a 4-16 semi mounted plow behind an IH 560. If you put the land wheel up close to the fence, the back bottom got pretty close. I didn't see the dual on the land side----just the single on the furrow side. ------------- Mark B10 Allis, 917 Allis, 7116 Simplicity, 7790 Simplicity Diesel, GTH-L Simplicity Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not. |