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Topic: D17 leaking oil from spark plug
Posted By: Putnamd17
Subject: D17 leaking oil from spark plug
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2026 at 9:24pm
My d17 series 4 gas, has some oil leaking from the spark plug closest to the fuel tank, I checked the compression and it was about 157, there is some smoke coming from the exhaust as well, I am thinking this is a valve seal issue. Anyone run into a similar problem before?



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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2026 at 9:31pm
There are no valve seals or valve stem umbrellas. The valve guides and valve stems are probably worn out. The piston ring grooves are loose top to bottom, the sleeves have a heavy ring edge at the top and the ring gaps are too wide. In short, everything wears out at the same time. A 98% chance it is time for an overhaul.


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2026 at 6:21am
How do you use or intend to use the tractor?? As long as you aren't fouling a spark plug all the time, you could run it for a long time with this condition, using it for light jobs/short run times. If you intend to grind feed weekly and expect to operate it mowing, raking and baling hay, then your days are probably numbered.


Posted By: Putnamd17
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2026 at 6:41am
I was hoping to use it for some light plowing with a 2 bottom and bailing about 5 acres of hay.


Posted By: Putnamd17
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2026 at 6:42am
I had a mechanic go through the engine and look over everything he said he wouldn’t be concerned with anything at the time he went through I asked him about my cylinders and he said they had a lot of life left yet.


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2026 at 11:06am
"Go thru the engine"..?? what does that mean exactly ???    He had it apart and looked at the cylinders?? and now it smokes blue out the exhaust ??


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2026 at 11:08am
Your oil leak isn't as simple as a valve cover gasket leaking ?????????


Posted By: Putnamd17
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2026 at 12:29pm
I do not see any oil coming from the valve cover, he went through and mainly replaced all the seals and such said the cylinders looked good he had the engine out and completely apart on an engine stand, I do not see much blue smoke there was some white smoke but only for a little bit


Posted By: Dirt Farmer
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2026 at 12:40pm
What are the chances that the crush washer is missing on the spark plug and what you are seeing is seeping past the threads


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2026 at 1:16pm
A fairly typical result of an "oil burning" AC engine is engine oil leakage around a spark plug. That's just a fact on these engines. So, does it use oil or not?? and you just bought the tractor so you don't really know ??  If he didn't have the cylinder head removed, he only saw the cylinders from the bottom side, which is kind of meaningless.


Posted By: Putnamd17
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2026 at 1:38pm
I know he had the head removed, it uses some oil but there is a small rear main leak so I’m not sure where most of it goes but it seems like I’m loosing more oil than what’s coming out of the rear main. It is not a very large leak, it has a new head gasket should I be running different spark plugs in it? Hotter ones? It has the 3/4 ones recommended in the book in it


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2026 at 2:14pm
If you aren't fouling a spark plug, there is zero reason to go to a hotter heat range plug.


Posted By: Putnamd17
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2026 at 2:22pm
The spark plug is completely covered in carbon very black.


Posted By: 8070nc
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2026 at 4:33pm
Id put a new set of plugs in it and run it some and see what happens and figure it out from there

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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2026 at 6:45pm
It's sad to think that he had the engine out and in a stand?? and the rear seal wasn't replaced?? or he replaced it and it still leaks?? Could be either one......


Posted By: Putnamd17
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2026 at 7:42pm
It was replaced and still leaks


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2026 at 8:35pm
He doesn't know how to install a D-17 gas rear seal correctly. You haven't said how long you've owned this tractor.


Posted By: Putnamd17
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2026 at 4:14am
Maybe 2 years but the first year it sat around didn’t work at all only was ran to move it, and he just went through the engine a few months ago so was hoping to start using it


Posted By: Putnamd17
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2026 at 4:15am
Work as in pull anything only moved from on shed to another


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2026 at 5:49am
He had to remove and reinstall the oil pan to do the rear crankshaft seal. If one isn't proficient at those tasks with this engine, it could be leaking at either or both areas.


Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2026 at 9:51pm
Wow! Had the head off and didn't give it a simple ring job?


Posted By: Clay
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2026 at 6:57am
Was this the first time the mechanic worked on an engine without supervision?


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2026 at 8:45am
That might be a little harsh. Each brand and model of engines has its own quirks. I never knew that some small block Chevy engines needed to have Permatex or some sort of sealer on the head bolt threads or you would probably wind up with leaks when completed. I don't work on small block Chevy's, so why would I know that. Likewise, rear crankshaft seals, pan and arch gaskets take some expertise on these AC engines to keep things dry. If he didn't use some sort of sealer on the head gasket, that might be next. But, taking on jobs that one knows nothing about is a risk to the Tech doing the work and the owner of the machine. 


Posted By: Putnamd17
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2026 at 8:56am
He’s a good mechanic he’s just a case guy not many ac guys in my area that I know of


Posted By: Putnamd17
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2026 at 8:58am
What’s this about sealant on the head gasket? I’m going to have the head removed again so wanna make sure it gets the new one installed right


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2026 at 9:25am
Get it apart and tell me what type of head gasket material it is made of.


Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2026 at 10:55pm
I can't imagine a guy pulling an engine out, removing the head, removing the pan, changing a main seal, and still having this result from the scenario... something simply doesn't add up here.

The Allis D17 engine is a replaceable wet sleeve engine... with the head off, and pan off, you can literally pop the rod caps, push the rods, pistons, sleeves right out of the block, swap in new pistons, rings, and sleeves in one work shift... in-frame rebuild kits are available from at LEAST 20 suppliers, they're usually under a grand.  If someone goes through the trouble of opening one up 'for a look', it's silly to not already have an in-frame kit in consideration, as the resources one invests to get IN THERE is significantly higher than getting the kit on-hand.

But let's go back to the original complaint-  Oil leaking out of the spark plug.

Is that oil coming from around the threads, from the junction between the steel housing and the ceramic insulator, or from the cylinder head/valve cover above?

If it's coming from the junction between the steel housing and ceramic insulator, the crimp and seal have failed- you have Champion plugs, remove and replace them with Autolite AC252's.  

(when the crimp/gasket fails, the plug's ceramic insulator will fracture and drop a chunk of very hard stuff, along with a piece of the electrode, into your cylinder, which will dig a huge gash up your cylinder wall, and ram it into the head, punching a hole into the casting.  If you're lucky, it won't bend the rod and break the crank, but you'll be investing in an in-frame kit AND a cylinder head, and Champion simply doesn't care- Don't ask how I know how badly this goes, and how costly this becomes...)Cry


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Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2026 at 11:09pm
And I hate to have to bring this up, but my daughter called me one day about her car 'making some strange noises'.  She took it to three different mechanics, who all drove it, and said 'nothing wrong'.  She said they looked underneath, all around, and found NOTHING. 

She drove it 4hrs home on the interstate, and when she turned into the driveway, the problem was not only audible from 60ft, it was VISIBLE.  The transmission tailshaft was visible, when it SHOULD have been tucked up into the hump in the floor.  The transmission support crossmember had rusted, such that the tailshaft support and mount isolator dropped 4", with the tailshaft housing riding directly on the FRONT of the crossmember, and the rear driveshaft (it's 4wd) rubbing on the remains of the REAR side of the crossmember.

How it is that ANY shop can have ANY individual with an ASE patch on their shirt, and NOT notice this, is totally beyond me, but the answer is very clear:  What one identifies as a 'qualified' or 'good' or 'trusted' is meaningless, when an obvious problem gets dismissed.  IF the guy is a CASE guy, then he's probably had his hands in an SC, or a VAC, or a  DC, or RC, or L... mebbie a 350, 530, or a 910?  They're all in the same technical realm and operating principle of the Allis... if he was seeing oil leaking out of the spark plug of a 530, would he think that normal?  I wouldn't... a leaking spark plug isn't part of the suck, squeeze, bang, blow process.  This just doesn't pass the simple scrutiny test.


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Posted By: Clay
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2026 at 7:32am
Did your mechanic check for a crack in the head at the spark plug hole?


Posted By: Putnamd17
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2026 at 11:07am
I got the head off again and I’m taking to a guy that specializes in heads and having another mechanic look at the rest of the engine again, from what I can see from taking off the head nothing in the cylinders is making me think the oil is coming from there but I’m also not an experienced mechanic


Posted By: Putnamd17
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2026 at 11:29am
Measured the inside of the cylinders and they match what the book says they’re supposed to be


Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2026 at 1:33pm
So one thing you CAN do...
Git a big-arse magnet, and stick it to the combustion chamber side of the head.

Go over to your bench grinder/vise area, and gather up all the iron/steel filings from when you were hand-filing that one thing a while back... 

Get 'em gathered up (I use a piece of paper...)  and sprinkle them onto the cylinder head where you THINK there's a crack.

The filings will present a very visible TRACK where a crack exists.

Note-  If you see the filings showing a track, but you don't SEE a crack, that means the crack is under the surface, where you cannot SEE it. 

You can also expose hidden  cracks in machined surfaces by scrubbing them clean, then take a Sharpie marker and 'paint' the surface thoroughly...  then pour acetone on the surface, let it run across... then stop, and let the acetone evaporate.

After the acetone evaps, you'll see that the permanent marker ink will migrate to reveal surface imperfections, particularly cracks. 

BOTH of these techniques work in realm similar to 'magnafluxing'...  but on a poor-man's budget.

My bet is that, if you move that spark plug to a different cylinder, it will leak there, too, which is a bad plug.  Believe me- failed crimps on spark plugs is NOT uncommon... and on Champion plugs, it is VERY COMMON.  

When the crimp seal fails, two things happen-
1) Compression drops... and it has greater effect at low RPM than high RPM (it has longer to leak)

2) The ceramic insulator no longer cools properly... so it overheats, which means:
Preignition occurs... (even if the engine is turning slow, and under a light load, it does!)
Electrode erodes
Ceramic becomes brittle
core fractures and drops parts into the hole....
remains of core spits out into your very dry bean field (or in my case, a boat engine compartment)... starting a fire...

Damage to all those expensive internal parts... and the heartache that ensues.






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Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2026 at 1:59pm
Bore gauge and micrometer.  To 0.0001", measure:

Diameter of bore 3/8" down from deck:
Parallel with crank
Perpendicular to crank.

Diameter of bore 3" down from deck:
Parallel to crank
Perpendicular to crank

You SHOULD find (on a well-worn engine) that the cylinder bore is wider perpendicular to crank, than parallel.  This is a result of thrust-side wear. 

You MIGHT find that the cylinder bore is JUST SLIGHTLY wider PARALLEL to crank... this is usually result of the piston warming faster than the cylinder wall under load change.

Lightly clean and measure ridge at top of cylinder liner in both planes.  It SHOULD be same measurement, but slightly smaller than diameter of the bore above.  

Apply a precision straightedge to the top of the cylinder liners.  They'll be the same height... unless there's something fishy afoot.

Bring a piston to about a half inch from TDC.  put a rubber hammer handle on the top of the piston, hold the hammer head in one hand, put your other hand on the hammer handle, and push the piston fore and aft, and right-left.  Does the piston move around in the cylinder?  That's the actuality of slop-  a combination of cylinder liner wear, and piston wear.   If the engine was run with ineffective air filtration, you're gonna find plenty of slop... because dirty soil farm air is very abrasive to engine internals.  That same wear winds up in piston rings, wearing the groove lands and ring surfaces.

You will PROBABLY find a hairline fracture in the block deck between the two center cylinders.  This is not a problem.

Fortunately, the Allis wet-sleeve engine is REALLY easy to refresh... it was a beautifully thought-out exercise in industrial engineering both in production, and in future maintenance.   If you have the engine out of the tractor, giving the castings a little touch-up, and reassembling it with the overhaul kit gets it back into service for another three decades swiftly and economically.  It's almost like the Allis Chalmers engineers had been building industrial-grade stuff for over a half-a-century already...


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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2026 at 3:15pm
This tractor needs to be diagnosed properly. By that I mean filled with motor oil to the full mark and used until it is at the add mark, which is one quart. If the rear main seal is leaking, hang or wire a catch pan under that area to be able to account for how much actually has leaked instead of guessing. Move/swap the leaky spark plug to a different cylinder and see if the leak stays with the cylinder or follows the spark plug. At this point there's no accurate information as to whether we are leaking all the oil or leaking and burning oil. If you think about it, there shouldn't be any oil in any cylinder.....only gasoline mist and air and exhaust gasses. So, if there's oil.....prob not good.


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2026 at 3:32pm
i agree with DR.... not much Complete info at this time... Mechanic might have done a very good job, or maybe missed something minor... Engine had 157 psi compression, so dont sound like piston rings are leaking... Cyliner liners look good, no ridge, so the mechanic decided not to go any further into it..... Now has an oil leak "somewhere"... Could be the rear seal was damaged, could be not proper  pan gasket install, could be spark plug compression ring......... could be  BASICALLY NOTHING wrong... Let your new mechanic check out the head, then reinstall... check pan gaskets !

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Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2026 at 9:38pm
dint read all the posts but did the valve cover gasket get replaced or checked 


Posted By: Putnamd17
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2026 at 1:39pm
Tore it all apart Dr was right it’s getting the head redone and I’m putting in new sleeves and rings and etc, what’s the best place to buy this stuff? Am I correct in thinking the overbored kits will drop my HP?


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2026 at 1:42pm
You'll lose or not gain ANY HP if the compression ratio is spec'd at less than 7.25 to 1. Many of those after-market overbore kits are 6.5 to 1 compression ratio, if they will even admit to that.  There are some out there that are 8.0 to 1 and that would be GOOOOD!!


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2026 at 2:07pm
you can still buy the higher compression kits, but they cost 4 TIMES as much $$$

https://www.jensales.com/products/ep-915144-allis-buda-out-of-frame-overhaul-kit-allis-chalmers-g226.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.jensales.com/products/ep-915144-allis-buda-out-of-frame-overhaul-kit-allis-chalmers-g226.html



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Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2026 at 4:09pm
I would check with some of the vendors on here. A&W tractir in Wisconsin would be a good place to start.



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