grinding flighting 800 platform
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Topic: grinding flighting 800 platform
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Subject: grinding flighting 800 platform
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2026 at 9:32pm
| When one "squares up" the flighting on a grain platform conveyer, is it better to grind a little relief to the trailing edge....as in beyond square? Seems to me the sharper edge would be better. Thoughts? |
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2026 at 9:43pm
| For soybeans only ??? |
Posted By: Dirt Farmer
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2026 at 12:06am
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If you’re having trouble with the plants hanging up and not being pulled in, we fastened a 2 inch pvc plastic pipe across the whole length of the head right behind the sickle using the bolts that hold the guards in place in four or five places. To make the hold downs I cut three inch wide pieces off the extra pipe length then made one cut down the piece then heated an area and bent it out to make a flat spot to drill a hole for bolting it on and snap the still round part over the pipe. For clarity it sorta resembles a letter “p” if you squint. The pipe tips the bean plants in and the incoming plants push them through. This may not work if you have the panels that go over the feather sheets to fill in the triangle between the sickle, auger and reel. In that case we remove the center filler “ramp” to create a well and keep the fingers from lifting the ramp when reversing after slugging the feeder house. |
Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2026 at 5:27am
| I ground the auger on my 1020 IH head years back, just made it square. It works great now! Your idea of relief should be good but I wouldn’t overdo it. Used to watch like a hawk for a big slug piling up, now it feeds so good I just glance at it once in awhile. |
Posted By: cwhit
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2026 at 5:36am
| I think the biggest thing that helped us was just to rough up the flighting edge just a little. I guarantee we didn’t square up anything. Just got rid of the smooth. What you’re suggesting would work if it didn’t take too long. Took me about 5 minutes to touch up a 20 ft. head. If too aggressive beans will be flying of the header. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2026 at 6:36am
| My reason for asking if it is a soybean only header is this: back in 1988-89's harvest, I was fighting an R-50 combine that was having terrible feeding problems. So, this was a new 3-16 flex header, not one with any wear on it. Part of the problem was the combine came equipped with too small of diameter rear steering tires, causing the tail to be lowered. Anyway, I talked to a Deutz-Allis (before AGCO/after A-C) company service rep from Indiana whom I had known from my days with A-C. He told me to make two adjustments to the header auger and report back to him. Raise the auger up to at least 3/4" off the floor AND move the auger forward as far as it will go. Now, you will likely have to add one or two half links to the drive chain to accomplish this, but it is worth it. As you move the auger forward to its max adjustment, you'll have to keep raising the auger to keep it away from the headers floor. I just use my hand as a measuring tool, seeing to it that I can get my four fingers/hand under the auger flighting. I questioned my old friends wisdom on this suggestion and he said this only works in soybeans, not oats/wheat. The results were absolutely amazing !! That header auger became like a vacuum cleaner, sucking in everything with zero hesitation!! I have been preaching this method for more than 30 years and always get 2 thumbs up from anyone who has ever done it. I have never sharpened any auger flighting since. EDIT: On the 800 series with that 30 inch diameter auger, I used to remake the drive sprocket on the left side down to 17 ?? teeth from whatever it was originally (20 teeth??). The peripheral speed of going from a 24 inch to 30 inch is (in my opinion) just too fast for feeding an R-42/52 throat. |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2026 at 10:44am
| Only beans. I think i did the auger adjustment a couple years ago but will have to look.CRS Have had trouble with feeding. Gets a wad cut off piling up towards end and soon HERE IT COMES!!. I ground it last year and made it more sharp as said near end of harvest and was a huge improvement. Has raised feather sheets.25ft R62 Should be able to run 4mph easily but had trouble getting them fed in. I'll look things over. Was mostly concerned if the sharper leading edge was bad idea. Chuck,it took a lot longer than a few minutes! Doc it has a 17 tooth driver. |
Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2026 at 10:27pm
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We always trim the auger flighting back on each end to prevent the eccentrics from hitting - then move the reel back past the stops so as the almost allow the teeth to hit the filghting. This keeps material from building up on cutter bar and not getting to the auger flighting. ------------- When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money.. |
Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2026 at 5:27am
| Doc, it’s just about time to drag the head out of the shed. I’m going to see if the auger will move forward. It feeds good now but if it can be better, I’m all for that! |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2026 at 5:31am
| What size? model ?? |
Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2026 at 5:32am
| It’s a 16.5’ 1020. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2026 at 5:34am
| I am ignorant to a 1020's header floor, so be careful. The Gleaner headers have stripper angle irons across the bottom rear to keep the crop from coming around the auger. So, be careful. You might do more harm than good. |
Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2026 at 5:36am
| Thanks. |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2026 at 5:10am
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If you want it to feed good put an AWS air bar on it. We have them on both heads and a neighbor has one on a red head. If either has a problem with the bar the combine gets parked till it’s fixed the difference is that huge. ------------- 8030, 7060, six 6080’s grandpa’s D17, 8760, 8100, and 8970 Deere. |
Posted By: SLee(IA)
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2026 at 5:01pm
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I agree with Victory. We put an air bar on a 25 foot 8000. It feeds great. Steve
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Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2026 at 5:30pm
| Uhh,I'm a hobby farmer with about 125 A of beans a year. Air bar kinda spendy for my situation. I'd take a 30ft Macdon but the $$$$$ |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2026 at 5:35pm
| Any of those air bars work and work really good. In my mind I could never justify the expense of one for a 10 or 20yr old header. They also don't operate for free, in slightly increased fuel use of the combine by running the blower fan. Let's face it: poor header feeding is usually a condition thing...short beans....tough beans, etc. Or in this case, a problem only on one side?? must be a mechanical thing or an adjustment that has changed. |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2026 at 9:15pm
| Fungicide don't help....stems could build a bridge. Ill have a look when there's time. Still mostly green. |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2026 at 6:34am
New bar is expensive what you do is search out a realistically priced used head with one on. Our second one we paid $6200 delivered from Canada. Until you run one you don’t know what you’re missing especially in short beans ------------- 8030, 7060, six 6080’s grandpa’s D17, 8760, 8100, and 8970 Deere. |
SteveM C/IL wrote:Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2026 at 10:54am
| i dont know anything about beans but what about some lock washers stuck over the edge of the fliting i have seen that done and it seems to work |
Posted By: 1963D17
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2026 at 10:56am
| I did the lock washer thing on my IH 1020. Seemed to help. |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2026 at 11:02am
| How far apart? |
Posted By: 8070nc
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2026 at 12:18pm
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We had a 15 ft head on a F2 years ago. The leading edge on the auger wore to the point that soybeans would wedge between the auger and floor and stop the auger. I ground it till it was low on the back side of the flighting. Didnt have any problems after that ------------- 1984 80780 1957 D14 DES 300 with 25000 engine 616 tractor |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2026 at 9:10pm
| Update....the auger is fwd as far as the slots will let it go and 3/4 in off the floor. I thought I did that. |