Right to Repair, RTR
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Printed Date: 04 Apr 2026 at 5:50am
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Topic: Right to Repair, RTR
Posted By: DMiller
Subject: Right to Repair, RTR
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2026 at 4:51am
| Current AG machine producers are still fighting this, are now adding Subscription requirements to access Electronics and to clear codes on newer machines much as Auto manufacturers are. RTR is fast becoming a joke on the Public. |
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2026 at 6:02am
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The cynic in me says the guv is behind this, as it's about control and money. They allow the company to control you and the guv gets free money ( taxes ) ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: powertech84
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2026 at 7:53am
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RTR has always been a joke, from the very begining. As someone who's worked in the industry for 20+ years, it was easy to see all along that what people thought they were getting, never remotely stood a chance of happening. Another case of be carefull what you wish for.
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Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2026 at 8:47am
| They can say they are giving access, but it seems like the software is on some kind of timer that is set to expire. Because when they come out to repair things it seems updates are required. And if you want to mix brands it seems they don't like to talk to each other. |
Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2026 at 9:03am
| Simply changing sensors or anything requires a computer update. Not just plug and go. |
Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2026 at 6:35pm
| sounds like everyone wants to lay down and let the manufacturers do what they whant . i have to keep on working poeples stuff for a long time ithink this stuff needs to go toa global obd2 system also |
Posted By: thendrix
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2026 at 8:22pm
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RTR, the reason why worn out $500 tractors and equipment bring $2,000 at auctions. We're going to have to replace a tractor at some point and I'm dreading it. Now my "big" tractor is a 1999 Kubota M6800. Very simple. Problem is, my big tractor ain't quite big enough ------------- "Farming is a business that makes a Las Vegas craps table look like a regular paycheck" Ronald Reagan |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2026 at 9:09pm
| Tractor companies just like all companies are in the business to make money so as long as people keep buying enough tractors for them to do well financially they are not going to give up something like repair business for free. |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2026 at 7:32am
I agree! And in the tractor companies defense, they have been forced to spend millions of dollars on their unique technology. I can see why they don't want to share it.
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Gary Burnett wrote:Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2026 at 7:51am
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There is an underlying issue here missed and somewhat hidden. The big time operators realized they were paying $150 or more per hour for a Deere tech who stayed out on their farm for 6 to 8 hours or more /week. They would simply call the tech and say come to work for us - this saved the farmers money for now they had a tech plus when not working on broke down stuff , they could do other farming stuff. Just buy a laptop computer. This led to a huge brain drain of techs at the dealerships. Therefore big D said nope - can't work on our modern stuff - we will firewall protect it - with the somewhat false statement of not allowing customers into company secrets in programming. ------------- When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money.. |
Posted By: Ed (Ont)
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2026 at 4:12pm
| Similar problems in automotive industry. I have a midrange snap-on computer and do a bit of work in my small shop. Got it mostly to do a bit of my own stuff and a few friends. Been in the trade for a long time and still enjoy doing some small stuff. Now in addition to monthly subscription to snap on we have to pay $60 per year to manufacturers to read that brand. Some are still free. GM so far is free. So I have basically given up! Will have to pay the fee for whatever I own. Not blaming the corporations. Just the way it is! |
Posted By: Orangeade
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2026 at 9:10pm
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Here is a different slant. I've spent a career working with industrial equipment. Had some customers hack into software, make changes then a couple things would happen. 1 - They mess something up and demand our techs fix it. "We did not do anything!" Waste everyone's time and finally figure it out we'd write most time off to save a customer. 2 - Worst case they change something and a safety feature is disabled or parameter changed and employee gets hurt or worst I heard of, killed. Guess what, lawyers always zero in on manufacturer. Another ton of time and money. Needless to say, we did a better job of locking access down. Companies are probably getting tired of it and this is the best way to protect themselves. Wait until someone hacks into the logic for autosteer and tractor does something far off intentions. The liability is going to fall squarely on manufacturers for either doing something wrong or not having it secured enough.
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Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2026 at 9:24pm
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I’m all for a man being able to repair his equipment himself, but that last comment drives home a valid point. We live in a world full of sue happy lawyers. I can understand the companies wanting to protect themselves while under warranty. But after that, the owner should be able to repair but the manufacturers should not be liable if something goes wrong once the warranty ends. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |