Probably a stupid idea…
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Topic: Probably a stupid idea…
Posted By: Tbone95
Subject: Probably a stupid idea…
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2026 at 7:14am
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I have a bolt broken off flush with the hole, in a cast iron housing. It’s a hard bolt, can’t drill it with the tools on hand but looking into that. It has blue Loctite on it. Actually had two broken ones. I welded a bolt to the first one and it worked like a charm. I’m having a heckuva time getting the second one out. Not enough hands and access and….whatever to get something welded on strong enough. Anyway, here’s my brain dead idea. What would happen if I cranked the current up and stuck a bolt directly into the stinger? Would save a hand. Might work, might not. What could it hurt? |
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Posted By: NEVER green
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2026 at 8:42am
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Have you tried welding a thick washer to it then a nut to the washer?? The washer gives you more access to weld. ------------- 2-8050 1-7080 6080 D-19 modelE & A 7040 R50 |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2026 at 8:49am
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When I have broken off bolts like that I weld directly on broken bolt and build up end till I can get a Visegrip on it. Sometimes it takes several tries after twisting off. Stick welder ( all I had till recently). 6013 Blob and chip.blob and chip. Heat gain will solve loctite and chipping usually helps loosen. Mostly done on Cat ex manifold studs 3/8. Nice thing about being in cast is cast don't weld well to steel so you don't have to worry about welding stud to hole.
If you don't have room to work.....you have some decisions to make As far as using a bolt vs a weld rod...think you're going to find huge arc splatter with no control over puddle. Ever had a rod missing flux? Same result
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Posted By: DanielW
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2026 at 9:15am
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You say you 'welded a bolt' to it. Did you actually weld a 'bolt' to it? That would be tricky. More commonly you weld a nut to it - welding through the middle. I'd give that a try if you haven't yet. Lots of heat: You need good penetration into that hardened bolt for the first second or two of welding. Everything after that is just building up and not adding any more penetration into the original bolt, and thus not really helping too much. I have better luck using MIG with it really cranked up and higher gas flow to avoid porosity. When using stick on such a small, short, quick weld, it's pretty much impossible to get the flux fully out and avoid any porosity. With such a small area, you need the weld to be as perfect as possible. Sounds like loc-tite 243 or equivalent on there. Once welded and cooled, make sure you use a torch to heat the surrounding area uber hot before trying to spin it out.
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Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2026 at 9:16am
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Tbone95, your bolt as electrode will probably fail from being too porous of a weld (many tiny holes)? The bolt has no flux coating to gas shield & produce a good solid weldment. Probably best to keep trying, using a thinner welding rod(6013,etc?). Maybe go to harborFreight & buy thinnest weld rods? Then without any flat washer, nut, bolt, etc,,, USING ONLY WELDING ROD, weld onto broken bolt to HEAT IT & BUILD IT UP.. If build up is successful, then try welding flat washer, nut to it for easier removal. Failed welding rod attempts are kinda good because each Consecutive heat treatment is your friend to loosen corroded threads of broken bolt. Yes naked bolt weldings are failed attempt too, but it’s welds are not good ones. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2026 at 10:13am
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Yes I actually welded a bolt to it. My thought just went there. Worked once! A nut sounds like a good idea. The washer, maybe, though not a large OD so might be tricky to find one that would work. Doesn’t help that my helmet sucks. I’ll keep hacking at it. Thanks for talking me out of the bolt electrode idea! 
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Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2026 at 10:20am
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As others have said a failed attempt is just another heat cycle to help break the loc-tight and or rust holding the broken bolt. The down side of the arc weld is cleaning the slag out from the failed weld before the next attempt. I think the real help of starting with a flat washer is the added heating on the broken bolt. It is one welding cycle to fill the flat washer. Clean slag, then weld a nut on. Even though the nut will be full of slag and not a real good weld. Fill the nut full of weld, even more heat sinking down the broken bolt. Another thing is have patients after the weld. At the least let it cool until you can keep your hand on it. Even better go work on something else for several hours. Taking cast iron radiator tanks apart I have weld more than a 1/2 dozen nuts on some. But I have never had one that did not come out on the 6 or so radiators I have taken apart.
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Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2026 at 11:10am
I wouldn't be afraid to try it. You would probably need to be able to shut the welder off with the stinger still holding the bolt at the exact moment of completing the weld. |
Tbone95 wrote:Posted By: TedN
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2026 at 11:28am
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No advice on the bolt, but if your helmet sucks replace it. Years ago I bought a helmet with the larger window and auto dark, it made a huge difference for me. The one I have now has variable darkness and a grinder setting. Having one less thing to fight with may be the difference between getting the bolt out and making a bigger problem. Ted ------------- 190XTD seriesIII, 190XTD seriesI, maroon belly 7000, 190XTD series??? project(or maybe parts) |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2026 at 11:57am
Making a stop after work today! 
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2026 at 11:59am
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2026 at 12:34pm
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putting the bolt in the stinger is not going to work.. trying to weld a bolt to the broken bolt is not a good idea ... just lay a thick washer over the broken stud and weld in a circle to attach it... Stick welder will do fine.... if you cant grab the washer with vice grips or channel locks, then weld a nut on top of the washer ... yes.. HEAT is your friend..
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