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Fixing up my Allis B

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Topic: Fixing up my Allis B
Posted By: Jay Tee
Subject: Fixing up my Allis B
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2025 at 10:36am
I just brought home a B that has lived a pretty hard life.  Some joker slapped a WD decal on there at some point - I'm not sure if it was for comedic effect.  I have no idea who manufactured the mower - it looks a lot more burly than the ones I've seen fitted to these small tractors in the past.




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Posted By: Jay Tee
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2025 at 10:39am
I bought it with the Marvel-Schebler TSX154 carburetor in bits - luckily I was able to rebuild it and get the tractor started so I could load it.


Posted By: Jay Tee
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2025 at 10:43am
The big problems are
  • The governor doesn't do much if anything
  • The magneto has been hacked into some kind of points distributor
  • The cooling system leaks out of every hose and maybe even the water pump - hard to tell since there's so much coming out of it.



Posted By: Jay Tee
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2025 at 10:44am
Governor problems...



Posted By: Jay Tee
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2025 at 10:46am
This isn't my first Allis - I had a CA I regretfully sold 15 years ago. The difference between the CA and B is pretty amazing.


Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2025 at 2:27pm
Where in Maryland are you? Anywhere close to Rocky Ridge? I have some things you may want to get things straightened out.

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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
Real pullers don't have speed limits.
If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY


Posted By: Jay Tee
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2025 at 7:30pm
Middletown area - just south west of you!


Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2025 at 7:43pm
PM sent with contact info. 

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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
Real pullers don't have speed limits.
If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY


Posted By: Jay Tee
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2025 at 7:53pm
Removed mag and governor between rain storms...



Posted By: Jay Tee
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2025 at 10:24am
Dropped the governor housing off with a friend who has an amazing machine shop in his basement. He recoiled when I said I would just glue the pivot post in with JB weld.  In the meantime, the radiator needs help.



Posted By: Jay Tee
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2025 at 10:25am


Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2025 at 7:37pm
I have an early non pressurized B radiator that may be fine as is, or at least need less work than yours.

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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
Real pullers don't have speed limits.
If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY


Posted By: Jay Tee
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2025 at 4:37pm
I gave up on that radiator - the core was full of leaks.  I found a reasonably priced new one which I just ordered.


Posted By: Jay Tee
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2025 at 4:40pm
My machinist friend fixed the loose pivot post on the governor housing. I'm really pleased with the result!



Posted By: Jay Tee
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2025 at 4:42pm
The engine serial number is CR 51181 PA - from what I can tell this is was from 1941.  The tractor serial number is from 1948, so it must have blown up and been replaced with the earlier one at some point.  I don't know what "CR" means - I thought the engine serial numbers began with either BE or CE


Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2025 at 6:32pm
Yes: The engine serial numbers BEGIN with BE,CE, R or CR, The CR engines were originally installed in Power units.  The ending letter(s) designates the compression ratio when it left the factory

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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
Real pullers don't have speed limits.
If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY


Posted By: Jay Tee
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2025 at 7:40pm
Thank you!  That kind of info is a bit scarce - but at least I know this isn't the original engine!


Posted By: Phil48ACWC
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2025 at 5:19am
I have a good hot spark FMJ Magneto if your interested. It came off my WC and has been totally gone through. Works great. $100 plus shipping. 


Posted By: Jay Tee
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2025 at 7:02pm
I was fitting the magneto I got from Phil48ACWC when I noticed the crank had a lot more end play than the 1-5 thousands specified by the book. More like 1/32".  I dropped the oil pan, removed the main caps and took a look at the crank, which seems fine to me.  Although there was some goo in the pan and the remains of the thrust bearings, everything looks pretty good in there as well.  So I'm thinking I might get away with just replacing the bearings.

The only marking on the bearings I see is a script FM with 2 51 underneath that.  This makes me think this is a stock crank since I don't see the usual 010, 020 etc. stamps in undersized bearings.  Is this assumption correct?


Posted By: Jay Tee
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2025 at 6:51pm
Removed the front end since the pivot bolt head blocked the pan just enough.
And the pile of parts is getting bigger.



Posted By: Jay Tee
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2025 at 7:41pm
Had a little bit of time to make a magneto clamp out of 1" flat stock


Posted By: Jay Tee
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2025 at 2:24pm
The tractor is mostly back together and it runs pretty nicely except I cannot figure out why the governor goes from idle to pretty much full speed with very little in between.  All the linkages are free and greased.  The governor doesn't show any signs of sticking or heavy wear and the bearing is installed correctly.  Is it because this engine didn't start life as a tractor engine and it really wasn't supposed to have more than one speed?



Posted By: Jay Tee
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2025 at 2:32pm
Here's the governor itself - looks OK to me!



Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2025 at 7:34pm
These engines are extremely sensitive to having the cross arm adjust correctly as instructed in the service manual. Also if the butterfly is lose to the throttle shaft or the arm on the throttle shaft is lose they could also give you problems. I'm not there looking at it so I can only throw darts in the dark. 

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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
Real pullers don't have speed limits.
If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2025 at 7:42pm
set the hand throttle lever WIDE OPEN ( forward)... go to the front left side of the engine and pull the pin out of the carburetor rod to the governor cross arm..... pull the carb rod FORWARD to the wide open position... see if the  hole and pin align... if not, bend the cross over arm until the hole and pin align.... Make sure the cross over arm is not dragging on the thermostat housing..... make sure the carburetor lever on the shaft is not dragging the engine block..

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Like them all, but love the "B"s.


Posted By: Jay Tee
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2025 at 11:03pm
I double-checked the relationship between the governor cross arm and carburetor throttle rod, and it was within the 1/32" to 1/16" preload figure the manual specifies.
I guess the idea is that the governor spring should pull the throttle lever to WOT just a hair before it runs into its own stop.


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2025 at 7:57am
its possible that the rod from the throttle lever by the steering column, to the governor arm is the wrong length.. Lever should go from LO ( back) to HI RPM ( forward) and you see the spring loaded arm on the governor move...  spring starts out loose, then stretches and pulls the cross over arm as you go to HI RPM......

you might try to loosen the set screw on the throttle lever and pull the small rod out  1/8 - 1/4 inch and try that... then looosen and put it in 1/8  to 1/4 inch from Original position and see if either of those changes things for the better... fine tune from there..... assuming you have the RIGHT SPRING on the gov and not just a hardware store replacement.


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Like them all, but love the "B"s.


Posted By: Straanger
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2025 at 11:55am
Could this be a gen-set governor instead of a tractor governor?


Posted By: Jay Tee
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2025 at 12:16pm
You guys were right! The governor cross arm was pulling too hard on the rod to the carburetor.  Once I bent the arm back towards the carburetor by a little over 1/16" it started working perfectly. I'm guessing this was the governor from the original engine that was slapped onto this one without adjustment.
Next job is to get the shutters back on and button up the engine cover.  Then it's on to the hydraulic rams, which are stuck.


Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2025 at 7:09pm
They wrote service manual for a reason. When you do what they tell you, things operate soooo much better. 

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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
Real pullers don't have speed limits.
If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY


Posted By: Jay Tee
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2025 at 7:51pm
Except one factory manual says to bend the cross arm to shorten the carburetor rod, while another manual from a different year says bend the cross arm to lengthen the carburetor rod - the typos get confusing some times.  Anyway - it's running and moving on its own now without any fuss.


Posted By: CA13414
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2025 at 8:16pm
Awesome job!

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Helping the aged survive and thrive! 1953 CA


Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2025 at 1:01pm
All small engine need to have the carburetor rod just a bit too short. 
 All the Large (201-226) engines need to have the rod just a bit too long.
This is the discrepancy you are seeing and not fully grasping.


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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
Real pullers don't have speed limits.
If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY


Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2025 at 4:33pm
Originally posted by PaulB PaulB wrote:

All small engine need to have the carburetor rod just a bit too short...

Well, I do believe that to be true, but I have two manuals that are indeed contradictory.

This first screen shot is from the I&T manual which is known to be unreliable; however, not everyone is aware of that.



This second screen shot is from another manual, possibly an official version?



I have been able to glean useful information from both manuals as sometimes one gives a more thorough explanation than the other.


Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2025 at 5:50pm
On the whole the I&T (BUT FIRST) manuals should be trashed as much of the information is very general and not as specific as really needed. When in doubt go with what the OEM engineers published.  

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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
Real pullers don't have speed limits.
If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY


Posted By: Jay Tee
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2025 at 1:15pm
This is from the 1960 issue of the Allis Chalmers Shop Manual produced by Technical Publications Inc. and available in several places online.  You can see clearly it's for the B-C-CA-RC engine - not the WC-WD engine.  Also it says the carburetor connecting rod should be 1/32" longer than necessary.



This next one is from another AC shop manual - the provenance is unknown, but it does seem to originate with AC themselves - this is the correct instruction.  Confusing, no?



Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2025 at 1:28pm
that last sentence about having slight tension on the governor spring when the throttle lever is in the LO  IDLE positon .... i have fixed that by loosening the square set screw on the LEVER and sliding the throttle rod in or out  1/8 inch.... You would be suprised now much  effect, 1/16 inch will make in the carburetor rod or the throttle rod... 

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Like them all, but love the "B"s.


Posted By: Jay Tee
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2025 at 7:19pm
Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

that last sentence about having slight tension on the governor spring when the throttle lever is in the LO  IDLE positon .... i have fixed that by loosening the square set screw on the LEVER and sliding the throttle rod in or out  1/8 inch.... You would be suprised now much  effect, 1/16 inch will make in the carburetor rod or the throttle rod... 

You can say that again!  I assumed that the settings were copacetic since nothing looked *too* far out of adjustment. Little did I know that these adjustments are far more critical than they are on small single-cylinder engines as found on garden tractors and lawn mowers.  I've prudently kept my mitts out of the governor in my big Kubota (my other favorite orange tractor) because it just works and it's buried in the high pressure pump.


Posted By: Jay Tee
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2025 at 7:26pm
Changed the watery oil in the transmission and dropped the pans on both final drives. Looks more like tar in there!

And cleaned up with new cork gaskets cut



Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2025 at 9:41pm
original gear lube was not much better than tar.... and let it set for 60 years and it REALLY looks like tar.. I normally use 80-90 wt... some guys use heavier... some have tried the newer HY-Trans type oils... ( not me !!)

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Like them all, but love the "B"s.


Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2025 at 6:35am
Jay Tee,
 Nice documentation on your work with the B! Good looking tractor that you have made many positive improvements in too. I will be watching the set up ( throttle linkage ) on our CA when we get to that point. 
What plans do you have for the B? the sickle bar would work good for mowing ditches.
 Regards,
 Chris and Cheryl


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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.



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