190 xt vs 6080
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Topic: 190 xt vs 6080
Posted By: Kevin210
Subject: 190 xt vs 6080
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2025 at 9:38pm
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If you wanted to pull a tractor in a 9500 farm stock class which one would you choose,190xt or a 6080. |
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Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2025 at 10:33pm
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Since you said stock class, the XT would be my choice. PD allows shift on the go and more hp from the factory. The one advantage the 6080 has is the ability to lock the differential. I used to pull my XT until the new rules change that requires the cross bolts through the turbo elbow. No way am I doing that to my favorite tractor for baling hay. I enjoyed it and it did well, but now I just pull my D17 a few times a year. If you choose a XT I will sell the belly weight bracket I had my local machine shop fabricate for it. I’ve never seen a 6080 at a pull so I don’t know how well they do but I’ve seen quite a few XT’s, some hot, some stock. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2025 at 12:34am
| You,ll have alot more fun with an XT- that 301 diesel and a good Roosa pump can make good power; and that tractor is set just right for balance in the 9500 lb class ! Make sure the Power Director clutchs have good pressure; they are fun! As for cross bolts - thats no big deal, just more insurance issues, with protection; as very few tractors now are - stock-,, |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2025 at 5:01am
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I would say it's a no-brainer with the 190 XT having 301 cubic inches verses 200 for the 6080. Just so much more potential form the extra inches. In our area, you can't pull anything with a turbo in the "stock" class, even if it came from the factory with a turbo. "Stock" won't say stock for very long. Someone will open pumps to start and by the time you are done, someone will have a stock tractor that never does anything but pull and is running road gear in the stock class.
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Posted By: Jordan(OH)
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2025 at 7:44pm
| He didn’t say stock, he said farm stock, two vastly different things. |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2025 at 5:51am
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I would love to have anyone show me a "farm stock" class that has all tractors that are at the same specs as they came from the factory.
Even the antique tractors are nowhere near all stock.
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Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2025 at 8:00am
| Quote Days of Thunder " there's nothing stock about stock cars" |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2025 at 6:22pm
Brother Rob and I at the local fair ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2025 at 6:57pm
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Charlie got me that night if I remember correctly by a foot. Those 2 are about as factory stock as you get. Mine does have a rebuilt pump with a slight turn up by Ed. Radial 23 degree tires made the difference. We had fun competing against each other for a few years. We were usually pretty close to each other although Charlie out pulled me more than I got him. Radials made the difference IMO. Fun times and an XT is a blast to pull. The best comments I ever got was upon entering the stands to watch the rest of the pull multiple people would stop me and say it was great to see 2 stock tractors pull, cant say that about the others in that class with 2 foot of fire coming out the pipe! Serial numbers show that only 3 tractors were between them when they came down the line. Both came from the same dealer in the same area. We were really surprised when we learned that. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2025 at 8:27pm
| Have a good running tractor and learn to read the track is the best! |
Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2025 at 6:15am
| Around here, Farm-Stock means, no cut tires. That's it. |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2025 at 4:53pm
Sadly, the same here. I really enjoy seeing regular farm tractors pull. I know they aren't the crowd favorites though. ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
IBWD MIke wrote:Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2025 at 7:13am
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I'm thinking about selling my 'pulling' tractor, Farmall H. Might build a belly weight bracket for the NFE 45 and go back to pulling it some. I enjoy the sport, (my back, not so much) but don't want to spend the cubic $$$ to keep up with the locals.
Edit; I should add that if I were choosing between a 6080 and a 190 for a pulling tractor, 190 8 days a week and twice on Sunday! It's a power director thing. Also, I own a 6080 but have never had a 190 so it's not an owners bias.
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2025 at 2:50pm
| It was back in the late 80's or maybe 1990, that a good friend of my youngest brother wanted to take his Uncle's 6080 2wd with a cab to the local county fair tractor pull. His Uncle was fine with that, but really wasn't aware of what might get done to the tractor to get it up to snuff. I quickly installed one of my alcohol injection kits in the air cleaner and removed the torque screw from the injection pump. If I remember correctly, I think we were right at 135 HP on the PTO. It had Armstrong 18.4 x 34's that were by then about 60% to 65%. We airred them up to where we thought it would work, shoved in the drawbar, stuck him in 2nd gear medium range. He wasn't a beginner at driving and we hit the front end weights just right. There were only a half-dozen tractors in that 9000 lb class that night, but he made a great hook and won the class !! I'd have still preferred a 190XT or 200 any day to a 6080 for pulling. |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2025 at 6:49pm
| Friend of mine worked for an Allis dealer in about that time frame ; 6080,s were the new ones out there- they turned it up , took it to a pull in big John Deere country- left the JD guys shaking their heads as that 6080 took the prize! Theres so much more than just turning them up- tires, reading the track ,, weights |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2025 at 5:48am
I agree, to a point. It's really hard to compete with someone with a lot more horsepower.
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Posted By: 6080fwa
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2025 at 12:02am
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I think if you take a fwa 6080 stock against a stock 190xt I think the 6080 with diff lock and fwa engaged will kill the 190xt in 4L...... I own both also for field work the 6080 is so much smoother towing a disc or cultivator over a rough field as the front tires are larger. Dont get me wrong 190xt is a great tractor but it is 20 years older than the 6080 without fwa..... a fwa 190xt would kick butt w difflock \! I shpuld hook 2 together tomorrow and see who wins.... ------------- d19d d19lp 175d 190d 190gxt 190dxt 200 6080 7000 8010 9150 9190 |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2025 at 7:09am
For field work, you are probably right, but the question was for "stock" tractor pulling. Most stock classes don't allow front wheel drive to be used while pulling and, quite frankly, FWA doesn't help much when pulling. Weight transfer puts most of the weight on the rear wheels. Contrary to what people think, differential lock can hurt you when pulling. If you hit a soft spot and the tractor starts heading one way, it's about impossible to get the differential lock to unlock, so you can use brakes to get straightened out. Hooking two tractors drawbar to drawbar usually only tells which one has better traction with no weight transfer. usually the heavier tractor wins.
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